What makes traditional pantry cabinets different from kitchen cabinets. Is it height, depth or space between top and base cabinets. Any ideas
Dougd
What makes traditional pantry cabinets different from kitchen cabinets. Is it height, depth or space between top and base cabinets. Any ideas
Dougd
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The butlers pantry cabinets in the four square I worked in this week had several characteristics that differ from modern cabinets.
The doors and drawers are flush with the faceframes, the bases are short (30") and shallow (20"), and the wall cabinets are tall (start about 16" above the bases and run up to a 9' ceiling). The bases and uppers appear to be one unit as they are connected by a beaded board "back splash". Doors were simple frame and panel. Drawer fronts were a plain 1x with the scoop handle.
Edit to add there is no toekick space either.
Edited 11/9/2006 9:45 pm ET by basswood
Great information,
Thank you for your observations, we are trying to recreate the old pantry look.
doug
What I have seen in several older homes:
usually only 18-22" deep bases with no toekick. These aare for storagfe and not for work stations like in kitchen, so no toe needed. storage goesto floor and less depth makes it easier to access inside.
Uppers are deeper, up to 16" deep and usually run up to the cieling.
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Thanks,
The info about the toe kick makes sence, we will follow your advise.
Doug
I'm on a different PC tionight. Here are a couple of photos
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Here is a modern take on one, wine fridge, sink, and all.
Looks as if what you need to begin with, is a small passageway off the kitchen, with tall ceiling. Shallow cabs seem to be the design ticket.
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Try this
http://www.crown-point.com/pantries/jpegs/pantry1.jpg
this is getting better..
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Hmmm, maybe the government is watching you too closely? :)I had the red-x when I viewed the thread, but as soon as I opened the link (and the pic came up there), it was visible in the thread, too. Maybe try a different browser? Or clear your cache?
I get the same "Forbidden" error message as IMERC.
Well, then let's try it on my server
http://www.fatroman.com/FHB/pantry1.jpg
Does it show up now for you guys?
Now I see it...very nice.
it worked..
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I'd rather have my funny uncle watching me than SG..
at least I stand a chance of getting away wth something and not getting slapped up side the head every 3rd post...
so I'll try pans "B" and "C" and see what happens..
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Glad to see it's working. I was going to ask if it was that Bosch Browser you were using :)
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!<!----><!---->
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I took some pictures this summer of a famous old farm house. This is where Andrew Wyeth painted "Christina's World". The original house was built in the late 1700's and added on to between 1859-1871. A little rustic these days but it's the real deal. Something similar is common in many Maine farm houses, much of the work was done after the Civil War.
hammer1,
are you a wyeth fan----or just a motorcycle touring fan ????
just wondering
BTW---didn't wyeth work in PA, not Maine???? ( I might be mistaken)
Stephen
Wyeth painted that at the Olson house in Cushing, MEhttp://architecture.about.com/cs/housetours/a/wyeth.htmThat's what I love about Breaktime, you come here looking for info on routers and leave with a discussion on art!
thanks------- I was thinking bucks co., PA for some reason.
I read a Biograpy of andrew wyeth once----- Maine totally skipped my attention, LOL
thanks again,Stephen
the only counter for food prep in my apt.
is in the pantry, and still no toe kick.
most pree WWII houses in my town are
like this.
No problem Stephen,
Much of my family comes from Bucks Co. and I can certainly see the Wyeth house fitting in there. Do you live up that way? It's a beautiful part of the country.
Best,Steve
no, i am from Ohio.
My dad was a commercial artist by Day,and a landscape painter by Night. we spent our summer vacations as kids touring the country so my dad could paint outdoors on location.
My Dad was a of a fan of N.C. Wyeth-----actually it was probably a Bio of N. C. that I read.
shortly after my kids were born I read the Bio----and i was intrigued by N.C.'s ideas on educating kids
if I remember---basically he pretty much homeschooled 'em on the premise that you found out what each individual was specially interested in and encouraged them to LEARN everything about that subject. In the process of learning everything about their area of interest they would learn enough about math , history,etc. along the way.
It's a technique that worked pretty well for N.C's kids who have had a variety of careers OTHER than the obvious one in ART.
I have tried to adapt it as much as possible in educating my own kids----and while they aren't Wyeth family -type geniuses--- they are both WAAAAAAY smarter than me. for instance ,my youngest sons' interest in Music lead to -----blues---Jazz-----history------social progress--- Government---computers---business----and believe it or not---math. He is writing and scoring his own compositions now---and suddenly he can handle basic physics!!!!! this from a kid who does't have a complete mastery of his times tables or fractions-----apparently if you can score music you can do ANYTHING---- LOL
BTW----apparently I was thinking of Chad's Ford, Pa---which isn't Bucks Co.
Stephen
No kidding? That's very interesting. My great (x 3) grandfather was Edward Hicks, who also spent his days as a commercial painter and traveled around the country (such as it was then) in his spare time painting landscapes. Part of the Bucks Co. contingent. Well if your kids are composing music, that's pretty impressive! Congratulations on raising them so well, with such broad appetites. It's not odd at all that your son should have an affinity for math if he's interested in music. I've read some great articles on how composers are often gifted at mathematical pursuits, like Bach for instance.I'll have to look for that bio on NC, it sounds intriguing.
"Bucks Co..... a beautiful part of the country"
the humorist SJ Peralman said "God would live in Bucks County,,,, if he could afford it."
The Wyeth family spend and still spends a lot of time in Maine. The Farnsworth Museum in Rockland has lots of works by Andrew and Jamie. Jamie owns a spectacular house on a little island in Tenant's Harbor.
He was local here. A BIL of mine once found one of his works in the town dumpster. I forget what it appraised at, but it is worth having insurance for.
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Stephen, Wyeth lived in Chadds Ford, Pennsylvania, which is another favorite area to motorcycle tour. Longwood Gardens and Winterthur are just a couple of stops amid the stone farm houses. Chadds Ford Inn is a favorite restaurant. He spent summers in Cushing, Maine. I can't say I'm necessarily a fan. I just like twisty back roads and old houses.Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Which is your bike, and what kind is it?
On that trip, Mrs. Hammer was riding the BMW R1100R and I had my bad boy FZ1.Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
My house is very similar to the Olsen house. Mine dates to the 1850's.
Nice to see the old ones in the hands of good caretakers, Basswood.Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
I started a thread on my place a year or so ago...you may have seen it:59108.1It has been a bigger undertaking than I could have imagined.
yeah, great place.
You haven't updated the thread lately. What's up?
well, let's play it again then, sam.
Rez,Not too much to report...but I'll go post in that thread (rather than continue this little hijack).Thanks for asking.
Yet another fascinating meandering BT thread! So, seeing those butlers pantrys got me to thinking about the evolution of design (about which I know pretty much nothing). It looks to me like that pantry style was an influence on newer solutions as the population became more mobile - the Hoosier cabinet. Here is the one that my great-grandmother (and no doubt her mother) used at the turn of the last century, and that survived the '06 SF Quake & Fire. No proof, but I'm told it came out of the Sears catalog...
Tall upper doors and beadboard.
We had this one made for our new Kitchen.
(We have since changed the white electrical outlets to brown)
Edited 11/10/2006 9:38 pm ET by MikeK
The room name on the plans?