The 2007 Tool Buyer’s Guide from FHB sang the praises of the Bosch, Rigid, and an inexpensive Ryobi. I’ve got to make this not insignificant purchase soon and would love to know what ya’ll have to say about any of these (or others).
Thanks,
David
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Really happy with my two-year old P-C that got rated well in one of those tool-comparos.
Haven't heard from you in a while - busy?
Forrest
Haven't heard from you in a while - busy?
Yea Forrest, thanks for asking. The 2-state thing is killing me. Just about to start our first flip in Statesville when the DF and I get back from Niagara in 2 weeks.
Didn't even know P-C made a benchtop saw.
Peace.Live in the solution, not the problem.
Wait until the new Bosch saw comes out. Lots of super-cool safety features that will actually be usefull.
Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
Parenting has always been a mix of sage life advice and inexcusable laziness.
New Bosch? I thought the current model was/is the cat's meow?Live in the solution, not the problem.
The new Bosch is will really be the same saw with a few tweaks. ie reinforce base so that it doesn't shake so much when you drag it across the bed of your truck
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every time I read about the whining on the Bosch's weight...
I think.... must be some delicate light weights out there... Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
They can pack 10 2x12's on their shoulder but can't lift a Bosch. View Image View Image
I'm a finish carp
I don't want to do either
Ahhhh...there you go...
I'm a framer that also likes to do trim :) View Image View Image
well... yur right.... but i don't always have my saw bearer around....
course... i've never had a back problem neitherMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
You notice its the retired guy telling us we're wimps
I mean, all he's lifting these days is a fishing pole, and those things aren't heavy.
they certently are with a connmected fish...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yer telling me that the fish you catch weigh as much as a table saw?
Sorry, but that's seems like a real fish tale
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do a lot of saltwater...
tarpon..
cobia
sharkLife is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Can that really be called a riving knife on the new Bosch? I thought the whole point of a riving knife was that it stayed below the top point of the blade, so you would have no excuse to not use it. That one seems like it comes well over the top, by the video.Having never really used the guards, I'm not sure how nice a feature that split feature is. The digital readout might be nice, but I'd figure that would be the first thing to go out on a jobsite.
the whole point of a riving knife was that it stayed below the top point of the blade
Not so, on our full sized Robland slider at work the riving knife is above the high point of the blade. I guess you can set it below but what would be the reason?
I guess on a small saw like the Bosch you might be doing some dadoing but then you'd take the riving knife off completly. You dont do much of that on a big slider though.
Doug
Dang
that's a long cast from yer mountaintop
I'm good..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Well, you guys have gone and done it! I have been saying for yeas that my next one will be the Bosch when my DW wears out.But when I saw that price from Amazon including the lift stand I bit. I can always sell the DW, right?I should have known better than to stop in the tool store here....But when a tried and true tool is going to be replaced by a new model, the price always dips and that is the time to buy while it is still available - like buying a car out of last years stable.I still can't believe I did it though. What am I gonna do with three table saws?
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gimme the bosch...
I can it a fine home..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I can't say enough about the Bosch 4000 I have set up with the gravity rise stand. Along with the rigid outfeed support I have and a freud stack dado set, there's not much you can't handle in the field. Good luck!
Yea, that's the one I'm leaning toward right now. I tried the stand set up/break down in the store the other day and thought it was way cool for a guy workingt solo.Live in the solution, not the problem.
I know a guy who has the new, smaller DeWalt.
Nice saw. Good power, good fence, and you don't have to throw your back out to lift it.
When/if my old Delta portable dies, that's the one currently at the top of my list.
I have the Bosch on the regular folding stand and I love it. Makes for two trips when setting it up which can be a slight PITA but it works for me. I have a friend with the rolling stand and I found it to be a bit too heavy when getting in and out of the truck alone... no good for me. Anyways, I converted the guard into a riving knife - thanks Gary - added the rear outfeed extension, and put a zero clearance throat plate into it. I actually tossed around the idea for a while of offloading my old Delta Contractor's Saw and just using this setup when working in the shop... of course until the Powermatic shows up... someday.
Second choice would be that new DeWalt compact saw with a Rouseau table setup. Seems like that'd be hard to beat with a stick.
Thanks Squash. I really like the idea of a field saw that is passable as a shop saw too. It's beginning to sound like the Bosch is the hands-down favorite.Live in the solution, not the problem.
I have the same set up....yeah two trip but no biggie. it is a little tough in and out of the truck with one guy using hte roller stand.
we had the same problem with the Ridgid and similar stand. once you get on the ground it's great, but you really got to give it the heave ho in and out of the truck bed. View Image View Image
Since this is the only table saw I'll have, it has to do everything. According to a review in a regular issue of FHB, the only shortfall of the DeWalt is that it won't accept a dado head. I gotta have that capability.
Other than that, they said it was a killer saw.Live in the solution, not the problem.
I'm in lock step right behind you. The new Dewalt little 10" is light and affords plenty of power for all the field work I need. I have it's big brother sitting in my garage that I use when I work at home. Presently I have a 20 year old Makita 81/4" #2708 on the Rousseau setup. It has been the berries for my work for the past. After almost 2 decades the damned thing just won't die. I'm sticking with it 'till it does. and my next field saw will be the Dewalt. Rousseau now makes a setup to fit that particular saw. I would really like a 10" for the field but am too stubborn to give up a perfectly good saw.
"If it ain't broke..."
I bought the Bosch about 3 years ago, and have used it twice. It stays in the van. Ironically, the Makita, which I bought about 18 months ago, sits on the Bosch's table in the van and is the saw I use. The weight difference is considerable, and since buying the Festool saw and guide system, any cuts on sheet goods are made using that.
Makita just brought out an updated version of the saw, which I fondled at the lumberyard, but I think with the update comes more weight.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul." Invictus, by Henley.
Perhaps you'd consider sending your unloved and underappreciated Bosch to Virginia where I'll work it like a Hebrew slave.
Just think of the room it'll free up in the van.Live in the solution, not the problem.
LOL, now there's a thought. I will eventually remove it from the van, but I first must either build another shed, or reorganize the garage to achieve greater storage efficiency. Sounds sad, but I literally have no place to put it right now, so it rides along with me to every job, just like a good, reliable labradore retriever.
Of course, if you want it, and would be willing to pay half of what I bought it for new, and are willing to either come and get it, or pay shipping, then it's yours! My guess is, by the time you finally get it home and ready to use, a new one would only cost a few dollars more.
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul." Invictus, by Henley.
the older series 4000's are dropping in price...
think maybe it's to clear them out to make way for the neew model...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Zee Bosch for sure!! Nothing beats it...!
SS
Well, I broke down and bought the Bosch. Question for those of you who have one. Are the outfeed supports worth the extra money, or is one of those stands/supports with the roller just as good?
John
I have the Bosch outfeed supports. I find them useful.
Have had my Bosch 2 years. Just got the rear out feed couple weeks ago.
in answer to your question....OH YEAH!
I'm now looking to get my hands on the side out feed.
The thing is, you've got your support right there on the saw ready to go. if you're doing a lot of full sheet goods you'll probably still want some additional support, but you won't need as much and you won't need to pull it out nearly as often.
Edit: one extra note...nice thing about the out feed ss they are already at the right height and you don't have to worry about uneven ground. couple weeks ago I was forced into working on someone's ridiculously uneven driveway and no matter what I did, my rollers were almost useless.
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Yes. Part of the reason they are so handy is that you can open them up and use them for staging multiple cut pcs. etc.You've already spent a chunk on the saw - go the distance and get the supports - you will use them often and not regret getting them (both).JT
Thanks for the advice. I think I will order them.
John
Bosch 4000...
oh but the new one coming out......
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
WHAT NEW ONE!!!Live in the solution, not the problem.
This one:
http://blogs.popularwoodworking.com/editorsblog/New+Bosch+Table+Saw+Has+European+Guard+System.aspxRebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
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From that, it looks like the major upgraddes are a safer gaurd and a digital readout....did I miss something?
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I was jazzed that it not only had the easily removed and replaced blade guard, the guard itself is split down the middle so it can track the stock better. I also really liked the built in rivening knife that not only tracks with the blade, it retracts back into the saw.
All in all the safety features come across as much easier to setup and use, instead of getting in the way so you feel like it's better to run without them. The table saw has to be the scariest tool I own, for its potential for disaster.
When I get good enough that 1/32" matters, I might consider that digital do-dad.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
Parenting has always been a mix of sage life advice and inexcusable laziness.
oh yeah...
http://www.boschtools.com/about-bosch-tools/press-room/4100+Table+Saws.htmLife is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
For those of you planning a router table insert, this looks like the perfect fence for the setup.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007VO0GC/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-8372906-0493612?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glanceIt sells for $120 most places - Amazon has it for $65 shipped.I'm ordering it today - the fence I made is a bit too simplistic - this BenchDog fence looks like it'll make it into a full-fledge router table.Beauty of it is how it clamps to the table top - near as I can tell, it'll work perfect with the Bosch 4000 front and back rails. We shall see...JT
When you have this complete, can you post some pics of you you rigged it up and made the surface of your router table. I've been looking at the bench dog portable router table for years. Its about $300 but if I can make one to fit my Bosch 4000 table that would be better.
The pics have been posted on this thread 2-3 times already - the only difference will be using the Benchdog fence instead of the one I made.If you look at the product page pictures for the fence - it's pretty clear how it clamps to the table. (that's assuming it'll fit - which I will be finding out soon as I just ordered it)I'l be happy to post a few more after I recieved it, but the basic concept for the router insert is here to be seen.JT
Yes, I did see those pics and I especially like the way the fence incorporates the dust collection. I'd be very interested in how you set up that bench dog fence though. If you dont mind posting some pics when you have it set up that would be great. Thanks
For all those on the fence about the Bosch 4000 - it's just dropped in price to $309 +$99 shipping.http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-4000-09-Worksite-10-Inch-Benchtop/dp/B00067IX1A?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1182289029&sr=1-1I think I paid $599 5-7 years ago and didn't get the fancy stand.JT
Thanks JT. Too bad I didn't check this sooner; coulda saved a bundle.
Guess you know it's back up to 386.00 again.Live in the solution, not the problem.
Yep... I posted it seperately for those that didn't feel like wading through 100 post discussion of TS's.JT
Here you go - I got the BD fence in the ups the other day.I've got to say it is one of the most well made things I've seen. Super heavy duty and very well designed.Ended up getting it for $58 or so - Amazon lowered the price for a minute.It'd be worth $100 easy.Here are a few pics of it on my Bosch saw. It is literally just large enough to clear the front and rear rails - another 1/8" and I would've had to modify the fence holes.Anyone want to buy my custom made fence now? I'm serious - have no need for it. I probably spent about 2-3 hours making it - I'll sell it for $35 + shipping.JT
I love that fence. Mine is on a simple ply/acrylic table screwed to the rousseau with two threaded knobs.
Beer was created so carpenters wouldn't rule the world.
JT, thanks for posting. I can visualize how the fence works on the saw now.
don't listen to Shep...
he won't go fishing...
plays golf instead...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I know a guy with the DW
and another with the Bosch
the Bosch is the better saw, but , IMO, its not really portable.m Even with that stand.
I've already got a cabinet saw in my shop, so I prefer something lightweight for travel.
I prefer to be able to hit my balls on the course, not loose 'em at work lifting heavy stuff.
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i'm with you... i looked at the bosch about three years ago..
bought the pc
the bosch was just too heavyMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
it was between the PC and the Bosch when I bought my saw....had the PC home and found out it would not take my 8" Dado ( 6" only) plus I thought the support for the table extension was kinda hokie. brought it back before even one cut....
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you club yur balls and yur worried about a little weight...
geeze...
maybe yur hitting them too much...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
fluke101says
Ryobi can't even be considered in the same league as the Bosch.I have the cheap little thing and I've used IMERC's Bosch. I think you can guess the next one I'll buy.
Ahh but the new one.MMMMMM
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yeah, but you can just about hang the Ryobi off your tool belt it's so light. :)That's gotta count for something.
I think of it as kinda like a battery saw, it's not meant to replace a real saw, only compliment it. It does have it's place.
dug- loving the Ryobi.............for SOME things
david...here's the best price to date.
http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-4000-09-Worksite-10-Inch-Benchtop/dp/B00067IX1A/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-2539687-1698553?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1182473075&sr=1-1
The new Bosch table saw should be out this summer. Same as the old one with added saftey features and a digital fence read out. My guess is that it'll cost you a hundred or two more dollars than what I just posted above for you.
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Quickly, stop what you are doing.
Go to amazon right now, they are selling the bosch with gravity rise stand for 389.00. I have had the bosch saw for about 5 years now and never had a single regret. Now go, go.
I have a 10" Makita in a Rousseau table setup like this:
http://www.rousseauco.com/model2750.htm
The Rousseau table is great, and I have a large outfeed table with it. It couldn't be more portable and the way the wheels are set up you can pull it through narrow paths and stairwells. The Makita motor is powerful and it will rip a full 3 1/2". I've never used a dado head with it so you would have to check that out.
That being said, you probably couldn't go wrong with the Bosch or any other model that fits your work style. The Rousseau table and fence are solid.
Billy
Have never seen a Makita table saw that wasn't an absolute BEAST. Just can't kill 'em.
The Rousseau looks like a great system; maybe I'll do a little more research.
ThanksLive in the solution, not the problem.
My partner and I picked up a 1940's/1950's 8" (maybe 8 1/4") cast iron saw at a yard sale last week. It came with a plywood box on wheels, and the switch is an old switchbox with fuses inside. All that for the low, low price of $25.00. We need to replace the switch even though it does work. The plate on it says it is a "Beaver". Weighs a ton and takes both of us to get it out of the trailer, but is it ever smooth. I know this may not sound very portable to some but in comparison to the "thing" in my shop, this is very portable. And the portable saw that it replaced scared the heck out of me.... partner owned it and I refused to use it anymore.
Bagtown
I have the Ridgid on the rolling stand.
Saw is great, stand is better.
Saw is about six years old now? Starting to have some minor things go wrong.
Kinda like a Japanese car. Engine won't die, but the rear view mirror won't stay put.
J. D. Reynolds
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Used over 150 days a year, the Makita in rousseu stand is my favorite. It took 6 years to wear down the bearings on my last saw, which was re-bearinged for $40 and is now a dedicated framing saw, and a new saw sits in the stand.
For production work, the Makita has a strong motor that cuts faster than Bosch, Dewalt, and other portable saws. It's just a torquey little package.
As for portablility, which other saw folds so compactly?
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Beer was created so carpenters wouldn't rule the world.
Edited 6/21/2007 11:59 pm ET by IdahoDon
I'm using a DW744 that was given to me. It's working for me, but I'd go for the Bosch. That price on Amazon seems right, I might do it anyway. Too bad they aren't doing free shipping on it. It sure helped when I bought my compressor and SCMS.
BOSCH
anyone have the link to the thread showing the guy who put the slick router set up into his bosch?
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I found a picture I saved from someone here on BT who did this to his Bosch...someone might be able to find the link to the orginal thread.
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2MB is a bit huge...
got anything smaller???Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
nope...they what I copied from orginal thread. View Image View Image
Marty
Here they are in jpeg.
I just downloaded those suckeres then went on to finish reading the thread first.
Glad yer on the job.
be a 4 digit KB, no wait..don't be a 4 digit KBA sentimental reformer in architecture, he began at the cornice, not at the foundation. It was only how to put a core of truth within the ornaments, that every sugarplum, in fact, might have an almond or caraway seed in it — though I hold that almonds are most wholesome without the sugar — and not how the inhabitant, the indweller, might build truly within and without, and let the ornaments take care of themselves.-Thoreau's Walden
THANKS!!!!Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
HELP!!!!Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
If Bosch had any marketing/business sense they'd be all over that as an add-on to their table saw.
WTF are they thinking.
Doug
Here's the info on the router insert for the Bosch 4000 -- from Julian Tracy:http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=65062.8I made the same set-up for my Bosch, but insted of using the saw fence as the fence for the router table, I bought a separate fence from Rousseau. This allows using the saw and the router independently -- useful when you route a profile on the edge of a wider board, rip it off with the saw, and then go back to the router for another edge profile. Think stuff like shoe moldings.See:http://www.rousseauco.com/Then click on "Basic Router Fence Model 330" under router accessories.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Here's the setup I did for mine.The router insert is made Woodpecker - it's the nicest one I've seen yet - the rings are ridgid - so you don't get any flex near the bit when doing precision work like plexiglass or very small stuff.The setup is held up by two peices of 1x2 oak with the opposite corners beveled to allow them to slip into the rails. Once you lock the extended table shut it's pretty secure.I built a vacuum port into the fence - but I'm not sold on the one piece design - would have a bit more flexibility if I had a two part fence but most of the router work I do in the field is bearing guided - it works for right now.Sold the Dewalt router kit and bought the Bosch - it's much nicer - you can dial in precise adjustments a lot better - without so much slop.JT
Oops - just realized they had been posted before.I'll chime in and say that I have mine on the Ridgid work/rolling stand and it's been working great the last 4-5 years.I looked at the gravity stand, but when folded up that sucker takes up a lot of room compared to my ridgid stand when standing verticle.I wanted to like the gravity stand, cause Amazon had it last month for About $120 with free shipping - I'd like the larger tires. But I store my saw vertical in my 5x10 trailer and the Bosch would take up too much room.
The plastic base on my cracked and broke to peices one day on the trailer when stored vertically. The Bosch folks told me it must of taken a huge fall - but I told them, heck no - it was just stored vert and this is how I found it. They didn't believe me. Only cost $65 for a new base, I put it on myself to save $75.Bummer is - one of the tabs that is built into the tabletop to support the throat plate is broke off - not sure if I can repair that yet...A few guys here got in on the amazing deal Amazon had last year for the Bosch saw with stand with a free $55 Freud blade for $337 shipped! Wish I had thougt enough to buy it and then sell mine used...Who needs a digital readout on their tablesaw, and who here thinks such a feature would last longer than a few months in actual use?The stronger base would definately be a plus, as my experience has shown.JT
Julian
That looks like it all came right from the factory! Nice work and I'll be stealing the idea.
Like you I cant use the gravity stand, I set my saw up above my drawer system in the back of my truck and no way am I lifting that saw 50" in the air with that bulky stand on it.
I'm with you on the digital read out, cant see that thing lasting, or being real accurate sometime down the road.
Doug
Yeah I think the stuff posted was yours....
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Thanks, but I can't take credit for the idea itself - someone else here posted his version of it a long time ago - I just made it pretty.Cool thing is - when I'm on a job and have it all set up and can go effortlessly back and forth between the router and tablesaw - all the time I spent making it is paid off many times over.Sometimes I feel like I am wasting time when doing projects like that or organizing fasteners or whatnot, but as soon as you start reaping the benefits on a dailiy basis of your efforts you realize that it was and is time well spent.JT
http://www.boschtools.com/miscellaneous/new-products.htm
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Well, as usual, I'll be the odd ball.
I have the Ryobi as reviewed with built-in stand and wheels, about 1 YO. Weighs in at 97 lbs., I can load and unload by myself. Sets up and knocks down fast.
Blade that came with it s**ks - fixed that with an 80 tooth Freud Avanti.
Didn't cut quite square with the table (blade not vertical), followed the directions and fixed that problem in about 10 minutes. Bevel gauge is accurate once the saw is "calibrated".
Fence is not bad - no adjustment needed. Fence scale is accurate +/- 1/64". Fence is adjustable for parallel with the blade, although I have never done this - did'nt need to.
Built in dust collection works pretty well, captures 95+%, IF you leave the guard in place - lousy without the guard to channel the suction from the shop vac.
I generally use it for ripping only, mostly 1x trim, soft and hardwood, although I have used it for 2x softwood and 3/4" birch plywood. I can't remember where the miter gauge is.
Keep in mind it is a portable saw, not a cabinet saw and will never perform like one.
Overall I'm happy, especially when you consider the price - $ 219. locally. Job ready with a good blade = $279.
Jim
Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
Miter guage should be under the table on the right side. Its near where all the attachments are stored. I like mine too! (with a good blade)
Actually mine is still in the plastic bag from the manufacturer - it is sitting on the back corner of my garage workbench - never used. Have always used other saws for crosscutting and mitering.
For me, this saw is used for ripping only and it works quite well for my purposes.
Jim
Never underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
I have the Bosch. I love it. It does every thing I need a table saw to do and it is really portable. I took it down into a customers cramped basement just to see how easy it would do. No problem. The only critisizm I could make is the stand. As good as it is I find it a little confusing setting up and folding down. Otherwise, it's an awesome unit.
A large THANK YOU to everyone who voiced an opinion in this thread.
Turns out my local lumberyard has 2 of the Bosch saws on the floor for 538.00 + tax.
Gonna offer him 500.00 cash and hopefully bring one home.
That Amazon price is great, but the shipping is a gouge. I can't support that.
Turns out my local lumberyard has 2 of the Bosch saws on the floor for 538.00 + tax.
Gonna offer him 500.00 cash and hopefully bring one home.
That Amazon price is great, but the shipping is a gouge. I can't support that.<<<<<<Amazon:$386 +$99 shipping = $485 and no tax
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http://www.taunton.com/finehomebuilding/how-to/video/ibs-bosch-tablesaw.aspx?nterms=66146
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzOR6Qe1rYg
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Thanks for posting those Vids. The Youtube one is great, a real Snappy Swiss music video. I couldn't stop dancing....Reminds me of that eurodance hit by Right Said Fred: "I'm Too Sexy for my Saw, too Sexy for my Saw..
dave..... along those lines
i was eyeballing the Bosch radio/charger/cd player on the counter at the lumber yard
..... $179 + tax
we already have one.. but i can't get it away from my guys..
anyways ... i kept asking when i t was going to go on sale
finally... i asked the manager as he was passing by
he said ... "make me an offer".. i thought about it
$150 !
he said ..... "ok... how's about $130 ?"
cool, huh ?
guys are jealous, cause mine's newer.. now i gotta figger out how to keep this one outta their clutches
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Mike, Seems to me somewhere I saw the perfect accesory for your new music Box.... Involves some sort of springJaw beartrap and baiting with crew's paychecks....
Good score Mike. You never know until you ask, right?Live in the solution, not the problem.
Lowes had a closeout on a Delta 10" for something like $100. It won't do precision work, but you can't beat the price, and it's pretty easy to load into the truck.
Last year I was doing my homework to upgrade from my sloppy old Delta and decided on the Bosch 4000. Thanks to a tip on here, scored that weekend Amazon deal @ 337, freud blase, 2 out extens. free shipping. A few months later, feebly feeling my age, i sprung for the gravity rise stand, too. I use the orig. folding stand w/ a plywood top for my portable Benchdog router setup.
You can't go wrong w/ the bosch, old or new. If you think the new features are worth it but can't wait for availability, buy a $99 bigbox special. After a couple months, get the new Bosch. In comparison, the sheer joy of your new saw will dampen the sticker shock. and sell the barely used interim model on craigslist.
i just have a cheap delta but use my friends old makita, I would like to ask anybody that knows if the bosch is as good as the old makita, They have bosch at the lumberyard. Nobody said anything about a newer makita
I never was a fan of the old Makita. It would run forever and cut anything you fed it, but needed the Rouseau table to be useablely acurate and my biggest complaint is the noise. It sounded like a jet whinningup!
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on that Bosch or the DW? Oh, I see - the Makita
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Edited 6/25/2007 8:18 pm ET by Piffin
yup...
the Makita..Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
bosch and gravity rise.