I had to think long and hard where to post this thread..in the picture section, tool section, or woodshed….
I got to the jobsite today and the framers on the house next to us had dropped off something….I think they are ….well….I don’t know. Maybe you guys/gals can help me figure it out.
blue
ps don’t expect an answer from me…I won’t be able to tell you anything until I see them on Monday.
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information…don’t listen to me..just ask Gabe!
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I almost forgot....milkbones will be awarded for correct answers!
Yeehaw!
blue
Warning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
I think I saw an offer for free plans to build something like that with the Handyman Club of America membership application that just came in the mail. They must have something to do with handymaning.
Is that enough for half a milkbone?
RichMast, you're half milkbone is on the way.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Mud!
Milkbones please
Mr T
I can't afford to be affordable anymore
That was a dirty trick Mr T...but I feel obligated to send the milkbones...
I hope you choke on them...
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Actually the correct answer, upon further examination, IS:
Mud and scrap lumber
Mr T
I can't afford to be affordable anymore
Hehehe....which is the scrap?
Okay...I'm sorry..don't choke on them...
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
I count four mules and a jackazz.
Five milkbones to you Diesel...I never would have guessed what they were without you.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
I'm not sure what they are but keep your camera ready...there are bound to be many interesting photo shots from that job site! :)
-Mark
Good idea UniqueSheds....I'll charge up some extra batteries and take the charger with me too!
This might be fun..
Bonus milkbones are awarded for the good suggestion!
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
You were right Unique...but I didn't need my camera today.
I got there at about 9 and there was one guy on that job. Frank had to run the skytrak over there to help them set the steel (they are paying us). Frank was gone about an hour for a split beam (which is ridiculous since they had spent about an hour to get "ready".
As I was putting my lunch back in the truck, I notice them packing up. I asked them why..."I got a little wet setting that beam and got cold...I've had enough for the day".
I think they put in a whopping 2.5 hours. It was about 32 degrees today!
All totalled they now have three days of showing up and about 5 hours working with three or four guys and they have the beam set and it was our equipment that set it.
I'd kill myself.
This is gonna be fun.....
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Keep us informed blue. Daily progress reports complete with a pic or two would be great. Have the proud owners showed up yet?
Pierre1...I promise...I'll keep you posted and post pics.
I did see a homeowner in the vicinity but he could be one of three....there are three houses right next to one another. I do know that the homeowner is anxious and wants the house built...he's been waiting since spring.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Pierre1, hehehehe, I almost forgot...
Joe F (he's the foreman over there) wandered by us today asking about why their sump pump wasn't working. Evidently he followed the romex from his sump hole, back behind two houses and saw it wrapping around our house and heading about 400' to the model. He wondered if the romex was any good or why the pump wasn't working. We told him we didn't know, but that dozers had run it over and we did too with our skytrak. He left grumbling about how much water he has in his basement and that he was going to get soaked setting the steel. Evidently he doesn't own a pair of rubber boots.
It's also evident that he didn't think to run a cord from his sump pump to his generator....which I'll do tomorrow to drain the next basement that we're starting!
Hehehehehe...I love working with guys like this to entertain me...
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Blue,
Dont you watch The Simpsons? Those are "speed holes". They reduce wind resistance while your working. They save you about 2 manhours a weeks
Speedholes????
I'm drilling all mine tomorrow!
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
All I see is two kinda nice looking stacking sawhorses (duplicated picture) and one really ugly one. Was there something else?
Sawhorses? Did you say sawhorses?
I'll have to go back and look closer...
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Fer sure one of those is a sawdonkey. The other two are breeding ... so keep your camera handy and send us pics of their progeny.
Uggh! That's gross Pierre1!
I hope their not same sex...
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Jobsite Zebras
Both Greek Males (sorry Sonny)
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain
............. looks like the shop lift equipment hijacked from an old Yugo dealership.
Maybe this guy made them?
Probably just as safe.
Jon Blakemore
Hey, he's welding ....... a gas tank!
I used to catch squirrels just like that.
Hilarious photo Jon. I wonder if it's staged (maybe it's tied off on the back side) for the yuck factor, or is that guy just that hair braiined?
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
wow, i havent laughed that hard in a long time
measure once
scribble several lines
spend some time figuring out wich scribble
cut the wrong line
get mad
Skye....I was amazed when I saw them, but I'm reserving judgment until I know more. Like I told the boys...they might have some very clever use for all those holes......but I mustadmit that I'm doubtful.
I do have more reasons to be doubtful. They showed up Thursday with four guys to set the steel. They walked over to Frank and told them that the boss sent them there and that Frank would set the steel with the Skytrak because the builder said Frank would. Only one problem...no one ever asked Frank if he would....which he wouldn't because of liability issues. Maybe if they'd have offered to pay, the liability issues would be balanced.
Anyways, instead of setting the steel by hand...they left and drove the hour and half back home.
Saturday morning they show up again with four guys. I guess Frank, the builder, and that crew worked out the liability and money issues. Only one problem.....Frank isn't coming in at 7:30 on Saturday, especially when it's half raining, half snowing. Frank shows up at exactly 9:45 and starts working. The Builder calls him and is surprised that he's working. The other crew had just called him and told him that they got tired of waiting and left at 9:30! Frank wonders why they didn't call him...he only lives a mile from the job and would have run over and set the steel for them, even if he didn't intend to work that day. The builder tells him that the crew didn't have the phone number. Frank mentions that the number is written on the crane, as well as our sign!
Two days and the crew has driven six hours and done nothing.
Does all that tell me anything about this crew? Not really. I'll save my judgment...and enjoy the competition.
Incidently, I could set that steel alone in about 2 hours...without a Skytrak or a crane. It was dropped in a very convenient spot for rolling it onto the foundation with a simple turning bar. I'd need about an hour to rig a ramp and an hour to roll and set the steel. If I had four guys, we'd just set it using normal methods in about an hour.
I'll take more pics of their methods...it might be interesting. Actually though, I'm hoping I learn something from the eccenctric guy that made those cheese horses.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
".they might have some very clever use for all those holes......but I mustadmit that I'm doubtful."They look normal to me.Done all the time, in aircraft construction.The holes reduce the weight without affecting the strenght.You are just not used to seeing highly qualified trademan that work with NASA qualified equipment.
Interesting supposition Bill....
The "Holey" ones are made out of cedar. It looks like the guy got a new router bit and routered everything about them including the holes.
I remember the days when I practiced my routering skills on my saw horses and jobsite benches.
I'll do some closeups on Monday...it doesn't look like I'm going in today..it's snowing and windy and those two things don't go well with roof sheathing...
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
They use them for saw horses and scaffolding.
Joe...I think you might be onto something.....
Heres a closeup of those alien ones. They must have some really big woodpeckers on Mars....
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Bored plumber with a hole saw strikes again.Who Dares Wins.
Gunner....it musta been a bored plumber who owns a router with a round over bit. All the holes have been drilled, then rounded over with a router bit!
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
The bored trim carpenter was hanging out with him?Who Dares Wins.
I'll bet the guy who built those holey horses is also a trail hiker. They'll go to any length to make something lighter. Take all the cardboard out of food packages, the tube out of the toilet paper, cut the handles off their toothbrushes.........
Check the ground for waffle-stomper boot treads...
oldfred
Fred...if they ever come back, I'll ask him.
Here's the report for the day....
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yep...nothing! They never showed...musta been too cold...it was 20 degrees in the moring and 32 when I was heading home...no sign of them anywhere!
That means they started on Thursday...went home and did nothing. Came back on Saturday....went home and did nothing. Came back on Monday.....set a beam for an hour and went home. Tuesday..nothing.
They might have ten joist standing by Christmas!
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
I see crews like that too from time to time. Totally amazes me. We're flying and I'm still sometimes sweating the bottom line.... then I see a bunch of cowboys saunter in and work 3 half days per week. I always wonder if they're not "playing the game" by having 3 or 4 jobs going on at the same time to pull that first check and then bail. Some do bail, but other times I see them keep chipping away at these things and finished up 2500 sq ft like five weeks later. Baffling.
Newest guy (new to framing) on my crew asked me this morning if we were working tomorrow. I just kinda raised an eyebrow looking for an explanation. He said, "well it's supposed to stay in the 20's all day on Wednesday."
"You wanna eat in the cold?" I asked. "Then you gotta work in the cold".
Oughta get really interesting when it actually does get cold around about Februaryish! Today hovered around 30*.... not too bad, but I saw him twice warming his hands on the exhaust from the compressor. Wondering if he'll make it.
Hehehe thats funny Diesel!
I can't say too much...when it gets cold...I always have a fire bucket going. I know a lot of guys don't like them, but they're a big morale booster for me.
I don't wear a lot of clothes, so I have to have a little warmth to hug once in a while.
I did have a guy walk up today looking for work. That's the first one since spring. Unfortunatly for him, we just let go of a smoker and he walked up with fresh cigarette burning. I cannot understand why someone would light a fresh cigarette and walk up onto a jobsite and ask for work....unless he had previous knowledge that we all smoked (we don't).
A smoker has a couple of extra ladder rungs to climb to get by my prejudice now. The last guy we had that smoked, was always lighting a cigarette and was the slowest producer on the crew. Plus, he tossed his butts everywhere.
If I were King, I'd put a ten cent deposit on every cigarette and 25 cents on the package.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
UPDATE!
Well....the owners of those fine alien sawhorses didn't show up again. Here's a picture of their progress.
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
Blue
How you getting anything done on your place if you keep looking at their's!
Doug
Well,
You can sure bet nobody will STEAL them!
Firewood-
The bones are on the way GZ!
blueWarning! Be cautious when taking any framing advice from me. Although I have a lifetime of framing experience, all of it is considered bottom of the barrel by Gabe. I am not to be counted amongst the worst of the worst. If you want real framing information...don't listen to me..just ask Gabe!
............................those are saw horses, left out in the rain, because they can't get a marriage license