Is it possible to run crown in here and it look right?
4 1/4″ basic profile.
Break at wall about 8′ break at ceiling about 12′
this is bad enough:
This is the opposite corner:
Same corner closer view: Slope down from left and a slope down from the right plus dealig with the valley rafter not lined up with the bump out.
A little to the left from above pic. approaching normality as we move left.
Where would you start and stop or continue the crown?
Edited 4/30/2009 7:20 pm by ToolFreakBlue
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My opinion, if you must have crown, is to run it on the flat ceilings/ square wall intersections only. It looks funny even if you can make it fit at the angled ceilings.
Rich
Thanks for the input.TFB (Bill)
For what it's worth, I don't think crown would add anything to that room. In fact, it would probably just start to look too "busy" even if there is a way to do it (but I don't know how).
I noticed that even the windows have a simple drywall return so I'm thinking that a clean molding-free room was the look that the original design called for.
I have installed crown molding along a slope that cut into the room because of stairs above. I kept the crown at the ceiling and added a shim at the bottom edge of the crown to close the gap creating sort of a mini-soffit. This kept the crown at the same angle throughout the room, but I wasn't really crazy for the mini-soffit look. The customer was fine with it.
I don't think it will add anything either frankly. Client is open to not having it in here (dining and living) but does want it down the entry hall into the family room at the other end of the house.I'm leaning towards simple returns where the entry walls change to the living and dining walls.Thanks for your input as well.TFB (Bill)
I'm new to the forum and as a female who has done a bit of renovating, etc, that room is ALL WRONG for crown. It would be way too busy. The home was designed for clean lines. My sister's house has a similar ceiling and she said she couldn't even imagine it.If you knew someone with some of that software that lets you design and decorate a room she would see how it looks. There is a site called 3D Studio (I thinks that's the name) that allows you to do it.SouthPaw
SouthPaw (aka Atlanta)Welcome to Breaktime. One post in three years is not acceptable, you must chime in more often. :)See you around.
TFB (Bill)
IF I were to install crown in that room, I would use it on the horizontal ceiling only, and cut the angle of the sloped ceilings to let it die into the slope (does that make sense?). Mind you, it wouldn't be an easy cut to make, but it would be the most attactive way to do it, imho.
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I follow you, no return. That would be a tricky but doable with a couple of scraps to scribe the angle.TFB (Bill)
That place makes me dizzy. It also shouldn't have crown in it IMO, too much going on with the ceiling already. Sometimes customers get one thing in their mind, and they feel that they have to have something everywhere. Tell them to step back and look at the better picture. All those run-ins & run-ons are going to be noticed.
If you are to do it, I would go with the simple return.
Thanks. I am thinking we will keep it out of this area. Got to sell her on the idea though, but I think she is preparing herself to that end.TFB (Bill)
Beauty in the eye of the buyer and designer......................lipstick on a pig come to mind here?
her money, though.
Show her copies of these responses, charge her 25% of what it would cost and tell her she is ahead or
Install a gorgeous floor and no one will notice the cielings
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I think it would drive you nuts and not add much to the room. If she insists on some decoration, how about a differnet paint colour about 4 inches wide?
What style of crown does she have in mind? Is the house any particular style? Didn't see any other trim.A simple cove crown on the flat ceilings might look nice... or some flat stuff, maybe built up, again on the horizontal, but it could be worked all the way around.http://www.tvwsolar.com
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Simple 3-5/8" crown my vendor's number 8009. She liked it better than the 4-1/4" 8012 even with the 12 ft ceiling, go figure.House style is typical Dallas tract without the current trend of Austin Chalk stone facade. Built in 2002. I don't think you could call it arts and craft, certainly not colonial, nor a ranch.
Seen similar style up in Oklahoma and other parts of Texas.Light colored carpet. beige tile entry. the interior columns are wrappped in drywall. Kitchen counters are beige laminate, right now anyway. I'm sure somebody has a name for it, but I don't know it.TFB (Bill)
Then 8009 is what she gets<G>Don't know if anybody mentioned Gary Kat's website. He has some interesting solutions to running raked crowns, but on your job, that might look a little too crazy.Don't forget to show us how you deal with it, ok?http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
http://www.garymkatz.com/TrimTechniques/cutting_crown_transitions.htmlThis one?It's helpful. Still no solution for an outside corner other than a pendant. Certainly no solution for a jacked up outside corner below that valley we have.I'm going with Gary's old time solution and talking her out of it, though she half expected it couldn't be done AND look right.Thanks for the reminder of Mr. Katz' site.
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The guy knows some tricks.http://www.tvwsolar.com
Now I wish I could give Brother Bill his great thrill
I would set him in chains at the top of the hill
Then send out for some pillars and Cecil B. DeMille
He could die happily ever after"
As most post suggest. No crown or at least at a minimum as some post have suggested. The room is not conducive for the use of crown. Unfortunately stock crown moldings have become the trim of choice for trying to correct otherwise poor/lazy design and is often used in excess. Crown would just draw more attention to an already bad situation.
Someone mentioned gyp. bd. returns at the window. IMHO this is most often done because it's cheap. A well trimmed/cased window would be more fitting for the style of window and add a great deal to the room. Also it could go a long way to take the focus from the cut up maze of the ceiling.
Don't have any idea what the rest of the room looks like. All gyp. bd. with some stock base?
Edited 5/1/2009 8:35 pm ET by oops
Yep all gyp with a 2-1/2" cheap base.TFB (Bill)
Hard to say from the detail pics just how busy the ceiling of room as a whole is.
I'm leaning towards no crown, but I have installed crown in rooms with a corner like the one in your 0079 pic. I stopped and returned the molding about an inch away from the ceiling interruption, and it looked fine.
If you do install crown, I'd vote for the stop-and-return over a scribe fit.
AitchKay
Here is another to show a bit more. It just is not a candidate for crown.I am leaning towards staying out of the room completely.TFB (Bill)
You’re right. Too busy. Where I did it, it was just a small notch out of one corner, and they were 8-foot ceilings, so your eye doesn’t expect crown below that, under the notch.But you have several strong horizontals up high. You should either crown them all, or do nothing.So no crown, you’re right.AitchKay