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No idea about the DVD collection. Haven't seen it. Is Frid still alive? Wasn't any spring chicken last time I listened to him speak, gotta be 25 yrs ago. Very interesting guy if you fit his type of wookworking. I did.
PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Oops, I'm wrong. The autograph says 1983. He taught for a lot of yrs and presumably was good at it. Certainly was well-received. Interesting guy to listen to.
Edited 10/25/2005 2:17 pm ET by VaTom
I'm sure the Fine Woodworking (FWW) people would jump all over you for this question.
Tage (pronounced Tay) Frid is one of the finest master craftsmen ever to have picked up a chisel. His woodworking books and articles in early editions of FWW are still great references today.
Learn more about him and you won't regret it!
LOL. I just got that Taunton email too. Don't feel bad... I didn't know who he was/is either. In fact, it took me a minute just to figure out that Tage Frid is a person's name. Thought it was like Tai Chi for woodworkers or something. Shame on me, I guess.
I thought it was the new model name for a 60" Sub-Zero.
I was reading it and thinking 'What is .....'
I too almost thought it was shortened for a refridgerator also
I meant no disrespect to him, his estate, his family or the Taunton family.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
WWPD
He and a dude named Krenov, gave me more ifo on my SELF, than any wife I ever had, woodworking is addictive, and so is sex. They go hand in hand....
oh crap, I can't beleive I just said that.
Go stroke a tool ya preverts..( yes I said PRE verts, yer not old enough to understand)...... Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Its MINE, I'll wash it as fast as I want"
So that's why they call it a 'woody'!
And then some, if she has splinters too!
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Its MINE, I'll wash it as fast as I want"
I spoke w/ Krevnov a few years ago at his school in N. California on the phone late one night for quite a while. I wanted to visit the school and possibly move up there (before i moved here). I "love" his books. Its all about attitude.
He got real mad at me when I said I wanted to see his stuff in person. Apparently he "hates" his work being called "stuff". Geez....sensitive artists.
Be well
andyThe secret of Zen in two words is, "Not always so"!
When we meet, we say, Namaste'..it means..
I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides,
I honor the place in you of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you where if you are in that place in you
and I am in that place in me, there is only one of us.
He wasn't an artist, neither was or is ...abject passion.
I had the chance to hang with Nakashima in his hey dey..the most reverent simpicity of living with a tree..that is all it is, living with the tree.
Have fun at the concert! You fugging tree you..I still hate you. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Its MINE, I'll wash it as fast as I want"
Nakashima?
that's cool!
what'd you do with him?
This is like asking who John the Baptist was in a Christain BB. Sorry, I don't think this is in good taste.Regards, Scooter"I may be drunk, but you're crazy, and I'll be sober tomorrow." WC Fields, "Its a Gift" 1934
I think you're being a little dramatic. There's only one carpenter I care about who also happens to be a biblical figure and it ain't Tage Frid. I could see your point if this were over in knots.... maybe. I hardly take offense to someone who isn't aware of who Larry Haun is and don't understand why you would take offense to one of us not recognizing who Tage Frid is. Maybe I'm missing something? I'm open to an education if you're up to it.
There's a point and a question here, but first let me tell you something about Tage Frid.Frid was trained in Denmark, came to this country (in his 20's, I think) and eventually got a teaching job in the woodworking program at Rochester Institute of Technology, and then moved on the the Rhode island School of Design for most of his teaching career. If he wasn't present at the creation, he came to FWW soon after, and was probably the person most responsible for helping Paul Roman (the FWW founder) define and develop the voice of the magazine. Because he was well-liked and respected, and a long-time teacher of people who became professional cabinetmakers, I suspect he helped Roman gain access to a whole cadre of capable authors during those early years. He wrote frequent articles, and he eventually wrote 3 books for Taunton, two of which are still in print:http://www.taunton.com/store/pages/070198.aspHe filled his books with tips and techniques, but the clarity and elegance of his writing style (and approach to woodworking) made them stand out from the pack. Even now, these books are always among the handful recommended to those who are starting a journey into cabinetmaking. So I would say Frid managed to attain a kind of mythic status for three reasons: 1) he was intimately associated (and identified with ) a magazine that became a dominant voice in the cabinetmaking crowd, 2) He was a long-time teacher, and therefore produced legions of acolytes who sung his praises and spread his "word", and 3) He managed to produce two enduring books that established his reputation and have kept his name alive in the woodworking community.As someone with one foot in cabinetmaking and the other in building (renovation, really), I haven't really found a comparable (to Frid) collection of authors in the latter field.I know you to be a very keen student of your trade, and I wonder if there are two or three books you would recommend as absolutely indispensable, "must read" works for anyone interested in learning the building business?********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Thank you for the education Nikki. I wasn't aware of Tage Frid and his impact on woodworking education. Like I said in my first post... shame on me. I appreciate your informing me a bit. I really don't want anyone to think that I was disrespecting him... heck, I didn't even know who he was and that was my point.
I'm sure that Tage Frid himself wouldn't be so full of himself to think a lack of recognition was a display of disrespect. I'll bet he was more humble than that.
But if I did offend anyone, I sincerely apologize. Please pardon my ignorance on the matter.
To answer your question...for me, there actually are a couple books that I've grown to find indispensible. One is "A Roof Cutter's Secrets" by Will Holladay. He has a way of breaking down the most complex roofs into more easily managed sections by using the same predictable and repeatable methods over and over. Not that I've fully wrapped my head around all of that book, but at least he gives a bone-head like me a fighting chance.
Another would be Roof Framer's Bible. Now that's a book that can really bail me out right on site and sits in it's own pocket in the door of my truck. It's mainly a collection of tables, charts, and diagrams but there is an ungodly amount of information packed into that easily referenced book. Again... it's virtually stupid-proof for guys like me.
These books I've mentioned probably are not of the same literary calibur as Mr. Frid's writings are, but indispensible to a framer like me none-the-less. Thanks again for the history lesson.
But if I did offend anyone, I sincerely apologize.
No chance. Ignorance is just that.
I didn't know Frid, other than through my mentor, who taught at Rochester with Frid. Frid was better rounded than most of the name brand woodworkers I met during those days. After dinner most of us were too shy to ask good questions.
At the time, a woodworker group, centered in Denver, did a great job of sponsoring visits by nationally famous artisans. Started with a lumber yard sponsoring a Krenov visit. He was signing books (surprisingly, not Taunton) and asked casually if we all knew each other. Nope. A little enthusiasm with an open invitation and the group was born. When I left Denver the group was so large I could no longer comfortably host a meeting in my shop.
No idea if it still functions but, pre-internet, it was a godsend to those of us struggling to learn without a formal education. Books are good, interaction is better. We competed for commissions, but also were compassionate enough to help each other.
Thanks for the book recommendations. Roofs are scary when you aren't a framer. Maybe even when you are.
PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Edited 10/26/2005 9:19 pm ET by VaTom
I know what Larry Haun and Tage Frid both contributed to me. Now I have to go and buy some roof framing books. If they help you with the stuff you produce (from what I've seen), I gotta have em.
john
I never knew the man, but I suspect he would be amused and immesely flattered that you wanted to know who he was. So I ordered up the two books you mentioned. I typed in "roof framer's bible" -- and you'll be interested to know it came up on the same page with the "Oxford Bible Commentary".You mentioned Larry Haun in your previous post; any of his books you would recommend? Even I have head his name, but I've not read any of his books.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
nikki- those books you've mentioned for the hardcover first printing are collector items i believe and go for $100 per book.
if nothing else if found for cost and sat on they may yield a little extra later on. but just to have a landmark publication , should treated with care.............." Feed the good wolf....."
No kidding???? $100 ????I've got both of them, and I think they are probably from the first printing too, since I bought them (respectively) when they first appeared. His third book was kind of a clunker, and I never bought it. And I am guessing many others felt the same way, since it is apparently out of print. i guess I should wrap the books in brown paper, and put a not on them so my heirs won't haul them to the dump when I die................................********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
You can put my mailing address on them if you want. ;)
are the first and second books combined on your set?? book 1 is joinery/ and book2 is shaping,veneering, and finishing. i have the soft cover on book 1 and 2 , and the hard cover on the third first printing furnituremaking. still looking for the first. i'm a bit of a book store freak and always lookin'.... anyhow good luck.." Feed the good wolf....."
I haven't looked at these books in years, and with your question, I looked over the shelf, and they're gone..........I have a habit of lending books to worthy souls, and sometimes they don't come back. That's apparently what happened with the Frid books, and it was so long ago, I can't remember who I lent them to. Too bad, since I might be able to learn more from them now than I did when they came out some 20 odd years ago.********************************************************
"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
dieselpig got them... quick go outside a check for that scent of diesel fumes, and loud tapping and tail lights............" Feed the good wolf....."
LOL. I'm long gone by now brother.
Brian
Who's Larry Haun? :)
I drove 600 miles to listen to Tage Frid speek for just one evening. It was well worth it.
Oh, not to sure that he was all that humble! This just something that I heard from people that seemed to know him.
I've used his book more times then I could count.
Still dont know that Haun guy, any relation to Jessica?
Doug
Second cousins I believe. Now tell me..... isn't Tage Frid that magician guy in Vegas who let his tiger use his head for a toothbrush a few years back? ;)
As you said, second cousin, not that he would acknowledge it, who could blame him!
He had a propensity for walnut, slabs..at that time. He was checking out soon, so his wife and daughter were in situ.
I spent some time in Japan , for my brothers death, so we kinda had a kinship.
I can't talk , nor type, about it all. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Its MINE, I'll wash it as fast as I want"
Tage (pronounced Tay) Frid was a contributing editor of Fine Woodworking from 1975 until a few years ago. He died in May 2004 at age 88. You'll find many articles authored by him, as well as books, in Taunton's "library." I'm guessing the CD collection is of his work, since it comes in a slip cover that looks like the cover on one of his books.
Google Tage, and you'll find a wealth of information.
Gary
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