Please help me. I am a “Handy Maam”. I’ve attended a carpentry trade school in Chicago, in addition to attending a woodworking school. I received certificates for both. I never joined a union because I prefered the flexibility of working on my own.I brought up a discussion with my Mother in law and my Brother in law who is a roofer. I started to ask him a question re: re-roofing. I said”John when you do re-roofing and you have to replace the plywood” My Mother in law interupts and exclaims (as if I did’nt have a brain cell operating) ” YOU DON”T USE PLWOOD!” I said ” Yes you do.”Plywood is used as a substrate before you lay the felt paper. I asked her what did she think was used and she stated BOARDS. I personally never worked on a building old enough to have boards so I was confused & shocked at her condesending remark. The bro in law says “Excuse me but IM the roofer here. I said what boards is she talking about?and he said 1x8s. I then asked him if he ever used plywood to which he replied not if I can help it. Then to add insult to injury he says “You led me to believe you knew something about construction”. I dropped the subject and it’s been eating at me ever since. I had to vent. Could you please tell me how long plywood has been used as a substrate? I thought it’s been around since the 50’s. Thanks all.
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Welcome to the board. I like your nickname.
Sounds like you have more issues with your relatives than with plywood.
You're correct that plywood has been around for 50 years, more or less.
BTW - Breaking your posts up into paragraphs makes them much more readable.
Thank you for your response.
Is this what you mean by breaking up paragraphs?
Im new to the "Chat room experience"
Yup - You did fine on the paragraph thing. This isn't a "chat room", but rather a message board. Whatever you post wil be around for a long time. Chat room text is temporary.Hang around here a while, and you'll learn plenty. Then you can go back and straighten out your family.(-:
I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. [Will Rogers]
You shouldn't have dropped it, you were right. It's 2005, I imagine plywood or OSB is used for 99% of roof sheathing now. For the repair you refer to, I'd stick with what's existing, but I could understand why someone would use plywood to repair a badly damaged boarded roof, but not why someone would use one-by's to repair damage to a plywood-sheathed roof.
Thanks Ben
Where do I fill in my personal info?
yes as Boss Hog says great nickname and yes this is a message board and you'll find much better company for your interests here than w/ your close minded in laws
share w/ us and your in laws and we''ll all get enlightened
Pamdemonium,
I do a fair bit of roofing here( Akron, Ohio)
Here----no plywood decks found pre-WWII.
I never see it on houses dating from the 1950's either.
Houses from the 1960's will be either 1x8's OR plywood---depending on the specific developement I fin 'em in. ( if plywood---probably 3/8"
1970's---all plywood
1980's to present all plywood or osb---the closer to todays time the more likely OSB.
It's helpfull to me to have an excellent Idea what the decking will be BEFORE I tear the roof off----the materials used each decade are just HERE----you need to know what is typical where YOU are.
BTW---your mother in law and your brother in law seem like nightmares---best wishes with THEM.
Stephen
Hi,
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Hey Pam! Welcome aboard. You're gonna have a great time in here.
I know it's nice to get some personal satisfaction from all of us basically telling you you were right, and those two inlaws were just being awfully jerky. But wouldn't it have been nice to have one of us standing there at the time to back you up? I hate it when I manage to prove after the fact that someone I was arguing with was wrong, but it's too late once the discussion is over.
I'm one of the oddities of our times and an awfully lucky guy because as far as I can tell my inlaws actually like me and seem to respect my opinion about lot's of stuff. It's kinda weird." If I were a carpenter"
Welcome aboard,
Get yourself as educated as possible, but never get smart enough to add an in-law apartment to your own house. :)
Replaced shingles on a boarded roof this summer. Jeesh! what a Pain!!
Good luck in your profession!
oldfred
anyone using boards these days is either an idiot, a glutton for punishment, or WAY out of it. Probably all three!
Hold it chief. There are many of us in the restoration business who use boards to restore what was there.
Rod
Who's right? E'erybody's right when it's family (just gotta have tums & the occasional bit of jerky to bite into (as tongues & lips take so long to heal <g>).
Depends on the definitions. For wood shingles or shakes, individual boards spaced apart (known as "skip sheathing") have been and remain a traditional roof sheathing surface.
After WWII, the building boom put a premium on both lumber and time. A stack of 1x8 had many more uses than fitting on rafters as sheathing. Although, porch roofs and the like, that were exposed, did (and do) still use various tongue-and-groove (t&g) boards, but that's an exposed, finished condition.
The time it would take to cut and fit to a proper stagger for board sheathing would make plywood preferable in many, many ways. So, it rather became the standard roof sheathing, until OSB & flake/chip board made their, ahem, economical, appearances here in the last couple decades.
So, all hands are 'some' right (other than the "thot u knew sumpin" comment--but that can be part & parcel with BILs).
As the good Cap mentioned;
Depends on the definitions. For wood shingles or shakes, individual boards spaced apart (known as "skip sheathing") have been and remain a traditional roof sheathing surface.
If your talking about a wood shake roof then you would still probably find skip sheeting/boards.
If that's what your BIL was referring to then he'd be correct. He also might be a dick for not pointing that out, you know, the macho BS, cant let no broad know more then him!
Oh, welcome to BT
Doug
the good Cap mentioned
LoL! Not very often I hear "good" associated with me <g>.
You might want to make a slight distinction, though. CAP is the electrican, I'm just Capn. I'd no more want to have to learn electrical panels inside and out any more than he'd want to learn amphibous landing procedure or being stranded in an archy's office all day <g>Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Tell him you could prab-ly carry a 1x8 up a ladder and on a roof with just your teeth but it would take a pretty good man to hump 4x8 sheets of plywood up a ladder and on a roof all day long. Then give a short pause.......and say something like, I could see why you would NEED to use 1x8's.Don't laugh and don't smile,till later.:)
I'm sure that you are comfortable now knowing that you are as right at least as your haughty roofing BIL. I hope your wife doesn't have the same bad habit of putting others down to make herself feel good as the inlaws do or your children will suffer.
Plywood had been invented a hundred years or more ago, but the industry got a big lift in WWII for building boats like thee PT bopats, and for quick barracks type erections. After the war, they found a market in the post war building bopom that housed all of us baby-boomers.
This question has regional characteristics too...
When I started roofing in Florida in 1970, every roof I saw, including most of the re-roofs was all sheathed in plywood. But when I moved to west Texas, 80-90% of the roofs there were sheathed with boarding.
Then, Last year when the sheet goods saw a tremendous spike in cost for several reasons, a lot of guys went back to sheathing with boarding boards again because the solid lumber was actually cheaper.
Somebody mentioned that it is best to repair with whatever is already on the roof. I agree.
Learan to be your own man. There is no future working with someone like your BIL when he chooses to remain ignorant and act haughty.
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Piffin,
I'd say about 90% of the roofs torn down to skip sheathing are sheeted with plywood in my locale. I had thought this was mainly due to the shingle warranty?
I've also seen a couple of roofs where someone ripped down 1x to fit between the skip sheathing for a solid roof. I'll stick with ply I think. I've also heard rumour that some shingle mfgrs wont warratny over osb?
Tom
All shingles are warranteed over OSB as long as all the other particulars are observed.I oversheathe with 3/8" ply on old boarded roofs too to eliminate the gaps and provide the smooth surface that is required for warrantee. That is an option and not a "repair" which is what I refered to with following previous convention.
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Clean yer glasses, Pif. The name is PAMdemonium, and she mentioned in the first sentence that she is a "handymaam".
Other than asking about her wife, you gave a good response.
:)
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Ah, so there's a sexist element here it wood seam.
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Yes, it wood seam sew.The heck, you say?
LOL, You've got me in stitches.A good laugh is far better than beiung board to death though
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:)
Glad you got a laugh.
Remember Norm Crosby? He really used to mangle the King's English.The heck, you say?
You've got me in stitches
Woven shingles perhaps . . . ?Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
If not sexist, then the standard "you're not good enough for my son" attitude.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
"Learn to be your own man"
I think Pamdemonium is a woman. Oink oink to you.
:) - kinda like when Jeff Golblum's character says to Glen Close in The Big Chill, when he stumbles in after everyone else has been up, gotten their tennis shoes, and left:
'Are we the first ones up?'The heck, you say?
alright, keep stickin it to me. I've got plenty of salve.;)I jsut didn't see the curves or the way she sashayed down the street with those nail bags on.
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Piffin -
Look at Pamdemonium's first post - I think she's female...which, of course, does,'t preclude having a wife, but makes it hard to be one's own man...*>)
Kate
Yes Kate, I am very much a woman.
I was married for 25 yrs & have 2 sons.
When we said our " I do's" he was thinking . I won't, and he never lifted a finger to fix the house which is why I went on to become a carpenter/ woodworker.
I enjoy men very much & I really enjoy a good piece of WOOD! No Muffs. Pam
"I enjoy men very much & I really enjoy a good piece of WOOD! No Muffs."
Keep talking like that, and you'll have all the guys here chasing after you.
(-:
If you fall asleep on a couch in a house where there is a woman present, there will be a blanket or coat covering you when you awaken. [Goerge Carlin]
Hi, Pam,
Good for you! My mother married a man like that, so early on, I learned to do it myself, especially if I wanted it done right!
Of course, the guys on BT are so NOT like that! Right???
So glad to meet a new friend - hope you hang here for a while.
Kate
Hey Kate, Thanks for the welcome.
Big emphasis on wanting it done right. I've been ripped off by the best of them.
Especially by the ones that think time is money and they are not there to clean up after. Talk to you soon. Pam
"the guys on BT are so NOT like that! Right???"
Exactly.
(-:
A woman never forgets the men she could have had. A man, the women he couldn't.
you've probably never met a man who was dense and couldn't take a subtle hint...Let me introduce myself...;)
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He probably doesn't believe in air guns, either. Maybe he still uses rocks to pound in his hand made, wooden spikes.
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People are entitled to their own opinions; People are not entitled to their own truth
<G>They can't be stopped from speaking their opinions, either. Just no requirement that they be listened to . . .Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
Go back and tell BIL that he is obviously not keeping up with current and modern building practices.
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
you confused us though because the subject at hand was re-roofing, which is not new construction. you made the comment out of context with no qualifiers to indicate your shift.
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Remember....a smart person will learn a lot more from an idiot than an idiot will ever learn from a smart person.
With that in mind, next family get together, listen a lot, and don't waste your time talking.
and don't waste your time talking
Except to get more food at the table <g> . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
"Remember....a smart person will learn a lot more from an idiot than an idiot will ever learn from a smart person."How true. Pam the handy ma'am just learned to take her in-laws' technical advice under guarded consideration, with a little help from the professors on Breaktime. Given their reported attitude, I hope she also learned not to waste time disputing facts with ignoramuses. It is a waste of time. No learning without receptivity.Bill
I always talk too much, but I try to listen (read LURK) more now.
Back in Catholic school......one old nun always said....
" God gave you two ears, but only one mouth. Listen twice as much as you speak, and I pray, maybe one day you will learn enough to get out of this class."
I still talk way too much, but her prayers were answered......I eventually did get out of her class (took 4 years though, {;-) since she was the only english teacher for all the grades.)
She still asks my mom how I'm doing......must have left an impression.
pickings,
My wife is a catholic school teacher------ I tell her that on the first day of school she should write on the chalkboard the most important 2 things kids need to learn
1) sit down
2) shut up
Still recovering from 12 years of catholic school myself----it was so formative---I gave my 2 sons the same " advantage"----LOL,
Stephen
Yet another survivor! Just kidding......Hope your kids appreciate it.
pickings,
I believe it is something they will appreciate more AFTER the fact---than they do now ---in the middle of it.
At some point they will appreciate that at their school 99% of their classmates will go on to college ( last graduate of that school that I am aware of that DIDN"T go to college---went straight into the NBA)
so for 13 years they have had constant re-inforcement in the reality of-----"It's not IF you go to college---it's a matter of how GOOD a college you will be going to."
Stephen
"A smart person will learn a lot more from an idiot than an idiot will ever learn from a smart person."
That one just made my tag line file...
And the day came when the risk to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk to blossom [Anais Nin]
That ranks in the top posts I have ever read here.
Deep wisdom, short and sweet
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Thank you.
Comming from you, the master of short, sweet, and concise, that is a compliment.
(edit) maybe I have found my tag line?
Edited 11/11/2005 9:26 am ET by pickings
It would be a worthy oneI learned short from IMERC, 'course he has extra large fingers that make it hard to hit only one key at a time so he has to keep it short
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Thanks.
Now all I gots to do is figure out how to make a "tag line" and I will be officially on my way.
Now.......shift/f7 ....or .....was it .........alt/f9............. oh heck I give up.
HELP
ps. This is just pasted in here.........not a real tag line yet
"a smart person will learn a lot more from an idiot than an idiot will ever learn from a smart person"
The other rewsponder was confused and I was confuised. That makes two, which was plural when I went to school. Maybe you are confused too, that makes three...
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If you want something, better ask now. LOL
That's funny Ben!
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How 'bout a kiss right here - on my cheek!
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