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   Mitremike | Oct 05, 2005 10:20am | #1

   I have yet to see them pass thru the subfloor to the foundation.

   Sound like ballon framing to me.

   If you install Squash blocks to fill between the foundation and the point load you are esentually doing the same thing.

   Just in two pieces--one below the subfloor and one in the standing wall.

   Many full time framers around these parts so they may have more to add but I'll get you started in any case.

   Mike

   " I reject your reality and substitute my own"
   Adam Savage---Mythbusters

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   alrightythen | Oct 05, 2005 05:24pm | #2

   Yes I am am referring to squash blocks and studs in any floors below.  ( ei. second floor windows - squash blocks in joists below - studs in 1st floor - squash blocks in joists below, atop foundation. 

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   Mitremike | Oct 06, 2005 04:00am | #3

   I haven't seen that---The load on a second story window with a roof above is significainly smaller than the first story header and smaller still than a egrees header in the rim joist.If the windows line up vert. then the load on the first floor header is only the dead and live load of the floor structure directly in line with it .I know of microlam point loads such as from a catherdral ceiling or other beam and you are correct that these carry thru.This is where I am at the end of my experience and defer you to BP or Blue ...Mike" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
   Adam Savage---Mythbusters

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   alrightythen | Oct 06, 2005 05:06am | #4

   Thanks Mike, I wonder if it pedends on the width of the window....ie: 2-6  window vs 5-0 window with bigger header and more wieght.

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   Mitremike | Oct 06, 2005 05:22am | #5

   Yeah good question. Maybe if it is large enough for a double jack stud ----you should squash block it.Dont see why you would have to follow it thru the lower walls---isn't that what the double top plate is for.I know with roofs and floor systems if you line up the members you don't need a double and the advantage with 16 OC wall and 24OC truss you arn't concerned about lining them up.OK now I am in theory land and going off read knowledge---Time to call in the experts. Before I get both of us in trouble.Mike" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
   Adam Savage---Mythbusters

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   jimatgreatwhite | Oct 06, 2005 05:53am | #6

   Here in Colorado they have us run the  bearing for every header and point load to the foundation. Even on gable end walls with tiny tiny windows.

   Jim at Great White

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   Mitremike | Oct 06, 2005 06:13am | #7

   Holy Sheez---wonder if that will go thru.Hope you don't have to many tall houses. Talk about no room for insul by the time you get to the main floor.Isn't that what double top plate is for. I could understand if you had to block all but once you get to the top plate they make you run a stud all the way down.How far off of inline can you be and still use the layout stud?Mike" I reject your reality and substitute my own"
   Adam Savage---Mythbusters

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   jimatgreatwhite | Oct 06, 2005 06:33am | #8

   It all has to line up. Nothing but overkill and cya.

    

   Jim

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   G80104 | Oct 06, 2005 06:50am | #9

   Jim,

        Is that a Douglas County thing? Here in Castle Rock the inspectors tried to make us do that. Had to hit the BS button & shut them down. Anything over 6' wide we do it ! But on a 2'-0 window its not happening here. You must be dealing with Inspector Hartman or the other PITA with the limp, George.

   Edited 10/5/2005 11:51 pm ET by G80104

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   jimatgreatwhite | Oct 06, 2005 07:11am | #10

   G80104

    

   You got it , mostly Douglas county. City of parker they just walk in and write add squash blocking as a rule. Well that happened once eight years ago.

   One builder we work for requires it just to streamline inspections. We are meek and tend to adjust our ways to appease the inspectors.

   Structurals we get from above builder has all point loads highlighted (solid black diamonds) on first floor structural plan. Makes finding a having them all in before sheathing goes on a snap. BS as it is it just seams easier than th eargument or cost of an engineers letter for each header load.

    

   JIm

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   G80104 | Oct 06, 2005 07:29am | #11

     I hear you on the inspector part, but when they write up stuff thats not in the code book ( the 2, I named are famous for that!) I feel its time to speak to somebody.

     Did 225 units in Highlands Ranch 6-7 years ago & the BS calls they would make just got out of control. The one guy was going thru a divorce & would always show up with a chip on his shoulder. The other one was just a plain A$$. The only time they would be nice is when they need something to fix their house/or basement. Then they were your buddy!

     Parker, we could go on for hrs about that place. I used to Frame for one of the head inspectors from Parker, when he was a Super for Lattham Bros Homes. Oh the stories !!!!