As of Sep. 1 Wis.officially adopted the 2005 NEC but deleted the section pertaining to AFCI’s (art.210.12) ….they are NOT required in bedrooms in dwelling units.
they also eliminated that part of 334.10 pertinent to concealing NM cable in type III , IV , and V buildings within walls ceilings and floors that provide a 15 minute rating.
I don’t have NFPA220-1999 to tell anybody what those structures are ,,,so don’t ask me
this is good news for our friends behind the
……..Cheddar Curtain
From building boxes and fitting face frames to installing doors and drawers, these techniques could be used for lots of cabinet projects.
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I beiieve this is what they mean by Type III, IV, V: All buildings in America can be associated with one of five basic types of construction, identified by Roman numerals in building codes and by engineering schools throughout the nation: fire-resistive (type I), non-combustible (type II), ordinary (type III), heavy-timber (type IV) and wood-frame (type V).
I didn't find the reference to section 334.10 (in the old 1999 copy I have here at home, that section number refers to installation of type MC cable, I'll have to check the later books at the office tomorrow) but here's what it says on the EC&M magazine website:
The 2005 NEC officially took effect in the state of Wisconsin on Sept. 1, but with a few notable omissions. In addition to deleting 210.12 on AFCIs, the state also opted to remove the NEC requirement for concealing nonmetallic sheathed cables in non-dwellings of Type III, IV, or V construction within walls, floors, or ceilings that provide a 15-minute finish rating. The state adopted the 2002 NEC in May 2003.
Here is some additional info from the NEMA website:
The State of Wisconsin will adopt the 2005 National Electrical Code effective September 1, 2005.
Wisconsin amends the NEC. Although most amendments are more stringent, a couple of amendments are less stringent. Less stringent amendments are:
Wisconsin will delete Article 210.12 (Arc Fault Interrupters). Wisconsin will also not require the use of a Concrete Encased Electrode and will delete the reference to Article 250.52(A)(3) from 250.50.
Edited 9/12/2005 8:53 pm ET by Stuart
thanks for the info Stuart,
while I was trying to find out why Wisconsin appears to be progressive by adopting the '05, I read that Iowa is still using '96.......what category does a double-wide fall under?"
Iowa will burn down soon do to an electrical fire. "Uncle Buck's Wire and Fire" was the sign on the back of that pickup wasn't it?
Actually, the state of IA has no electical inspectors or licensing requirements, only individual cities, if they care to.
If you haven't drawn blood today, you haven't done anything.
Edited 9/14/2005 7:06 pm ET by bosn
Likewise your neighbors to the south.MO has no state wide codes or licensing.
I hope it doesn't burn down too soon,cuz FEMA won't be abl.......ooops stole my own thread.anyway, at least the the controversy about AFCIs in the bedroom has been eliminated for Wis. and not needing a $200-$300 tester, to check the stupid things"
Re: ... "needing a $200-$300 tester, to check the stupid things"Assuming you have an AFCI you already have a tester designed to reliably check that AFCI."Summary
The bottom line is that the test button on the AFCI is the only recognized method for testing the proper operation of the AFCI. An AFCI indicator may be a nice way to determine if a particular circuit is connected to an AFCI, but it provides no definitive answer on whether an AFCI is properly working or not."From:
http://www.iaei.org/magazine/05_c/pauley.htm
I was wondering about that, wasn't the the problem with SqDs
the LOSS of protection? Without the user being aware of it?
Yeah the test button is there just like GFI , except it is in the panel, outta sight---outta mind, how many HO will remember to use it, All I was trying to say was the questionable necessity of
these things ,along with the lack of an affordable method of testing them has now been addressed in Wis."
The necessity, utility and desirability of having AFCIs, especially in their present early form, is subject of a lot of debate. Same general debate that was heard when GFIs were proposed and required. GFIs, when they first came out, were expensive, unreliable and prone to early failure. But over a decade or so the price came down and designs were greatly improved and standardized, Now even most of the older electrical codgers show some respect for GFIs and see them as beneficial. Most of us have been saved, or know people who have been saved, a nasty shock by a GFI.I suspect that AFCIs will follow a similar course. Prices will come down and reliability and functionality will rise. The manufacturers will tend to standardize their designs. Given enough standardization or tightening of arc detection specifications a single AFCI tester will be possible. And as tester become commonly available, and sold in numbers, their price will come down.
I agree.
I recall when I saw a GFI breaker for the first time, the foreman installed them. and kept the rest under lock and key. They were a PITA, and they are a very good idea, to protect someone from themselves instantly. The only thing I could add 4LORN, ..... when the GFI showed up on the market, solid state devices were just beginning to appear everywhere. the AFCI ? " this will protect us for something forgotten " but for now it seems manufacturers came up with a product and went looking for a market."