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Great idea for a thread! I look forward to the responses.
I knew you would.
I hope you're all taking notes, because there's going to be a short quiz next period... Tom Lehrer
No articles from me yet...though I was quoted in the Breaktime column in the current issue (was quoted a couple of times in the past too).
I once made the back cover (dust jacket) with a "Trade Secrets" feature (plastic laminate).
FHB is interested in a train station roof bracket project I have scheduled for Dec.--so I'll see (a couple of things they were interested in before never made it).
Every time I contribute to the magazine I go through a huge amount of trepidation that I'm going to write something that some other person will take issue with, or find a fault with, or will just be wrong or stupid and somehow all the research and effort that the editors and I have put into it will somehow be a disaster. Now after my fourth article I lurk on Breaktime checking for feedback that my article is a dog. so putting out the names of the articles I'v contributed feels a little like painting a big bullseye on my chest.
But at the same time I've been a reader of FHB since the beginning, I have every issue on a shelf in my office and it's been great to get to know the folks behind the magazine. I've played music with Chuck Miller and Kevin Ireton and Dan Morrison. Had some great talks with Brian Pontililo, had the tour, met the gang. It's a great team and I'm pretty sure none of us are in it for the money.
So here are my four, lame or not it felt good to put some thing in after getting so much out over the years.
Why add a tank to a tankless water heater?
Fine Homebuilding issue #192 January 2008
Curved Ceiling? No Problem.
Fine Homebuilding Issue #185, March 2007 (p.86-87)
Open Up the Ceiling With a Steel Sandwich
Fine Homebuilding Issue #178, April/May 2006 (p.60-63)
Offset Traps Make Space Under the Sink
Fine Homebuilding Issue #167, Winter 2004
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"We DON'T build them like they used to."
I've written for Old House Journal and Solidsurface magazine (now known as Surface Fabrication) several times.
My work has appeared in Custom Woodworking Business and Cabinetmaker.
Kowboy
Michael,Actually, I'd been meaning to send a note about how much I liked the tankless water heater article. It gave me a great insight on the parameters that I'd need should I ever decide to go that route, much more than I've picked up on the occasional thread here.So, thanks, it does make a difference! Look forward to your next piece.Best,
Steve
As thorough as you are, I don't imagine too much negative feedback on your stuff
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Camper Shell Toolbox, issue #57, pg. 71 (just a one pager), and a few tips.
CaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
4 articles--all on roofing
april 2001
june 2005
oct. 2006
june 2007
the 2007 article was written 3 different times--originally sometime around 2001-2002.
i think i have another one around-unpublished.
I would LOVE to get one in Old House Journal
and I am very slowly working on a book
clearly, I am in it for the money! LOL
Stephen
"I would LOVE to get one in Old House Journal"
Stephen, have you ever contacted OHJ? I'm sure they would be very happy to have you write an article. I've noticed the last couple issues have included more of the hands-on stuff that used to be their forte.
I was published in OHJ a couple times back in the late 80s and early 90s. It was a nice experience for me, but a stone mason friend of mine wrote a major article for them in the 1990s, and was horrified at how it was edited. They changed the KEY POINT to his article, without any consultation with him. They left his byline on, but anyone trying to follow the instructions as published would have met frustrating failure.
This wasn't a simple typo or miscommunication, but a blatant change to the very concept of the piece.
By the way, I've enjoyed your FHB articles over the years.
Allen
This wasn't a simple typo or miscommunication, but a blatant change to the very concept of the piece.
Probably standard procedure for most publications. I submitted a brief story to JLC for publication - they rewrote it to the point I didn't even recognize it. Thankfully they let me then rewrite it to their specifications, but there was a key point they insisted on omitting, all the while agreeing with me that it had good reason to be there. Very frustrating. View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
"Thankfully they let me then rewrite it to their specifications"
Well, at least you had that opportunity. I wish that had been the case with OHJ. Unfortunately my friend was unaware of any changes until he saw the published magazine. This was after considerable dialog before and during the writing of the article.
Interestingly, the materials and techniques that my friend was advocating -- and that OHJ completely changed in their rewrite -- have since become the accepted standard in preservation masonry.
Allen
Contributed is a good choice of words!
;)
They have a few pieces of my work that never saw ink so I guess you could say I ccontributed the work to their files.
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Annual Issue on HOUSES (Spring 1992)
"Elegance on a Shoestring" by John Brooks
"A ten year roof"
Great Moments, Nov 1990.
Always was going to try to get around to writting an actual article, never 'found' the time to submit.
Issue #89, "Pattern Cutting Exterior Details" on how I built a Tudor style deck with a timberframe pergola, using alot of different templates and flush trim router bits to cut the different pieces.http://www.woodsshop.com
I've had several tips quoted in FHB's "Breaktime" column.
I've thought about writing an article, but am waay to disorganized to be able to handle that. I can't even remember to photogragh most of my work.
I've had several tips quoted in FHB's "Breaktime" column.
Did they ask your permission or is that not required?
I've been cited in the breaktime bit in FHB and not consulted. Guess they figure if you post on their website they can use it, which seems totally fair to me.Let's not confuse the issue with facts!
"Guess they figure if you post on their website they can use it, which seems totally fair to me."Yeah, when we sign up and register here, we clicked a button agreeing to those terms
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"Postings to the Site are not private. You grant Taunton the unrestricted right to use, reproduce, modify, translate, and distribute any material you post to the Site in any medium (now in existence or hereafter developed), and for any purpose, including commercial uses, and to authorize others to do so."
That's certainly worth remembering. I haven't posted anything here that I want to keep a copyright on but I wasn't aware that they claimed the right to "modify" and "distribute" anything we post.
Thanks to all for the head's up.
Edited 11/12/2007 7:43 pm by Hudson Valley Carpenter
I remember one of my posts that made the magazine, over a year ago.
They churched it up quite a bit. At first I didn't remember typing it. Then I realized I did, at least parts of it, others they sugar coated.
Matt- Woods favorite carpenter.
They did one of mine (that I know of), and I think it was pretty much verbatum.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
I didn't even know I was in the magazine until I saw my handle there.
So no, no permission required. Which is OK with me, since they tolerate us hanging around here.
I had a post from Breaktime published in the magazine about two years ago. I was not asked permission (by signing up I granted permission) nor was I notified that it was going to appear. I was thumbing through the magazine a day or two after I got it and was reading the Breaktime section and saw it. It was totally unexpected. They should e-mail anyone whose posts are going to be used so that they don't miss it. Some people, God forbid, may not get every issue of Fine Homebuilding.
I contributed the price of a magazine once.
Couple tips from BT, then i got paid for four pages in the electronic version of Fine Woodworking after dealing with four editors over two frustrating years. I had to insist on a few key points which one editor or another would tweak for what seemed the express purpose of rendering a paragraph senseless. The article was about how i made a decent living for 20+ years, but they titled it "Art Fairs - not just for hippies anymore!" Jaysus...
So color me 'cured', LOL!
After reading your comments and some others I can only hope that, if they decide to lift anything of mine from the board, they do so without involving me in any way.
Edited 11/13/2007 3:14 am by Hudson Valley Carpenter
Personally, I think getting into the Breaktime section in the magazine would be cool. You'd be able to contribute something without the frustrations of writing an article - just the fun of posting on the site.-T
Similar experiene. The editors here seem to define "to edit" as "A re-write of all materials presented so as to make them un-valuable"I spoke with a writer here who makes a living more or less by having her words printed in various forms. She said this is not unccommon, and the only way to do this regularly is to throw away your ego, and to form a "relationship" with an editor that you can trust.
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<< She said this is not unccommon, and the only way to do this regularly is to throw away your ego, and to form a "relationship" with an editor that you can trust. >>
That sounds pretty accurate to me. Find an Ed who will stick up for your ideas and work with you to achieve a common goal. Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
"Everybody wants to know what I’m on...
What I'm on? I’m on my bike, busting my ### 6 hours a day…
...What are you on?"
- Lance Armstrong
As someone who made a decent living as a freelance writer for more than 20 years, I concur absolutely with your friend. You can't be a diva in this biz and survive. Editors don't actually edit just for the sake of editing, or if they do, they don't last long. Editors, at least those who work for magazines that survive, usually have a pretty clear idea of what their readers want (and, often, unfortunately, an even clearer idea of what their advertisers want). Writers who deliver are the ones who get the work.
"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007
Yeah, like anywhere else there are good editors and bad editors. You have to let go of your ego, but you also need to know when to put your foot down or walk away from the deal.It's a matter of puting the reader first.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
There's a lot of difference between being a diva and flat-out having the sense of your article up-ended. I tried to make a point in my article that the Salt Lake City market isn't the same as San Francisco, e.g. i should be prepared to sell a lot more 'kitchen' type items to SLC, more exotic woods and decorative items to SFO. They totally missed the point i was making and tried to massage it into making a different point that wasn't even true. I just don't write that badly so i believe that's the sort of thing that qualifies as 'editing for the sake of editing'. Moreover, none of the objections of my four editors overlapped; what was dire to one was of no consequence to another. It seems to me that if editing is at all a discipline - and i agree it can be - i should have seen more homogeneity in their approaches.
Yeah, I've run into the same thing with patents. A few patent attorneys are a great pleasure to work with, most are middlin', and a few are royal PITAs.What's bad is when they're "in a hurry" (which they always are, because they put off everything to the last minute) and they therefore submit a patent application without you getting to check it. This can make a real mess of things if they didn't understand the invention reasonably well.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
A patent attorney? At least i was on the receiving end of the paycheck, LOL! For you to have to PAY someone to treat you as well...oh, my...
Well, I don't have to pay the guys -- my employer does. But then I don't get that much for the patents either, even though my employer was able to hold Microsoft over the fire with one of them.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
Having suffered thorugh being edited with a machete more than once myself, I can sympathize, especially if you've been paid upfront, hence don't have the ready option of withdrawing then walking. But why four editors? That's a clear case of too many chefs meddling in too little soup.
"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007
At least two editors got axed or quit. Remember Tim Sams? He encouraged me to submit something, then fought for equal pay for my 'online' article when it was accepted; he was deliberate but very fair with me. The second editor was a woman, an experienced boatbuilder and writer, caught in an impossible situation between her bosses demanding the stupid (a list of the shows i personally jury for as a sidebar) and my firmly planted feet that wouldn't jeopardize my livelihood for the 'fame' of a byline. My impression was that she had to clear everything with someone else; she didn't stay long enough to appear on the masthead. There was another forgettable fellow in there for an email or two, then the final rush job by a current editor.Oh, i forgot to say...they lost my original photos, too. I was speaking to a pro photographer friend of mine a couple years ago who was waiting on a phone call about settling with a publisher who'd done the same. My friend was billing them $1000 per image. Yep, my 'soup' was well blended by the time was over. If they'd taken out the word "bikini", however, it would have been throw-down time!
The worst adventure I ever had with too many editors was with Harrowsmith, when an editor commissioned an article, edited it and signed off on the invoice, but between his sign-off and the issuing of the cheque, the magazine was sold. The new editor hadn't a clue that a) the article existed, or b) what to do about the missing invoice, and meanwhile, c) Accounts Payable had it on the books that I had already been paid. All was eventually straightened out, but it took a good six months and a smallish fortune in phone bills and faxes of Fed Ex receipts.
Professional photographers get to bill about $1,000 per image because they get to sell their images many times over. You won't catch too many photogs signing "all rights" contracts. Writers and other lesser mortals are lucky if we get our film back at all.
"the meat was prime,/the produce sublime,/but nevertheless/the dinner was/a horrible mess."
Samchang, 2007
Yep, the only thing worse than writing articles for money would be writing articles for NO money!At least my lone experience as a 'pro' writer made doing art fairs for a living seem a lot less preposterous.
Dan Morrison edits my stuff and it's been like writers boot camp with a teacher who has an amazing amount of patience and willingness to work with me to get things said as clearly as possible in the fewest words. His sentences are different (more folksy) from the way I would say things sometimes but he asks great questions and makes things much more readable than what you'll find on my website. ------------------
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I have kind of lost contact with Dan over the years. I agree with you. Great guy.Do you know he is from up my way? Just across the water at Northport is where he hails from.
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Similar experiene. The editors here seem to define "to edit" as "A re-write of all materials presented so as to make them un-valuable"
I spoke with a writer here who makes a living more or less by having her words printed in various forms. She said this is not unccommon, and the only way to do this regularly is to throw away your ego, and to form a "relationship" with an editor that you can trust.
In my case, I work very closely with the editor at JLC. We go over the text time and again, over email and on the phone, and then the senior editor will do some work and I'll get it back and go over it and answer questions.
Both work very hard to keep the article close to what I've written, but cleaned up because I'm not a writer, although in college I did enjoy the writing classes I took.
I've also seen some "manuscripts" that were sent it and they were completely unintelligible.
I think the process is whatever you want to make of it. You know what I mean? I'll think I wrote something really coherent and then go over it with the editor and it shows how much I have to learn about writing :-) and photography :-).
My editor has taken lots of time to tell me how to write better and structure a piece better and he has really helped me learn to take better pictures. It has been nothing but a great experience working with JLC.
The article was about how i made a decent living for 20+ years, but they titled it "Art Fairs - not just for hippies anymore!" Jaysus...
I don't know what I find more amusing, the title of the article or trying to decide whether or not you would have made a good hippie!
Doug
She would have rocked as a hippie . <G>
Tim
Lots of the 'hippies' were regularly making over $10K a weekend with very advantageous write offs for home businesses, tax-deductible 'commute' whenever they left home, loads of per diem, etc. It was a sweet deal...one that would have been right up your alley, Tim! <G>
Can you imagine an article on drywall technique titled: "Drywall: not just for druggies anymore!"
4-5 tips in Tips and Techniques, one to be in the next book compilation (they say), one or two in the BT column, one article for JLC - want to point out that it was EXACTLY as I wrote it - lucky? Different editing style?
A couple in the planning stages with Andrew Wormer at JLC (one my exciting, two year experience successfully suing a non-paying client).
Working on the first of my series of adventure/who-dunnit novels with a residential GC as the protagonist.
Forrest - write what you know
"one article for JLC - want to point out that it was EXACTLY as I wrote it "I think so. Have talked with another author who has done mucch writing for both rags and he said something about that. He recommended that with my style, I would do better with the Hanley Woods publiations
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I was recently approached about submitting a story to JLC. After I submitted it, it was rewritten beyond recognition. ('the names remain the same...only the facts have been changed'). They sent me an email copy, and I protested, so they let me rewrite it to their specifications. But one key paragraph the editor insisted on dropping, all the while agreeing that he understood why it was so important to the story. It was a frustrating experience, but in the end I felt the story did benefit from his making me rewrite it. Other than my missing paragraph, that is.
My intro. was critiqued as being too long and too literary, so I shortened it. The rest of the text was critiqued as containing "passive language" with no “actor” in it. In other words, "the sides were attached with screws" must become "I attached the sides with screws". They want somebody or something initiating the “action” in each sentence.View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
Yeah, it's a narrow line between having something that's technically correct and something that folks will actually enjoy reading. Something I learned in buckets when I first took up creative writing after decades of tech writing.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
it's a narrow line between having something that's technically correct and something that folks will actually enjoy reading.
So true. I erred on the side of "enjoy reading". Technical was what they wanted, correct seemed more or less optional. View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
<< It was a frustrating experience, but in the end I felt the story did benefit from his making me rewrite it. >>
There is definitly a very steep learning curve when writing for the first time. I always tell my first time authors to write as if they are talking with a buddy. For instance, you're a contractor who does tilework, and your buddy asks you what's the best tool to cut marble tile with... you answer in normal conversational style. That's the way we like it to be written here too.
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
"Everybody wants to know what I’m on...
What I'm on? I’m on my bike, busting my ### 6 hours a day…
...What are you on?"
- Lance Armstrong
Edited 11/13/2007 11:31 am ET by JFink
There is definitly a very steep learning curve when writing for the first time.
Thanks. Yeah, its been about 20 years ago, but I do remember writing for publication the first time. I used to write a column for a local paper, and do a fair amount of public speaking, even used to do standup comedy for awhile - mainly because I like writing and public speaking.
I do like the conversational style here, which I suspect is why I prefer this venue over the magazine format. I like the fact that personality comes through in spades here, but regret that so much of it gets filtered out for print.
View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
Edited 11/13/2007 8:35 pm by Huck
I wouldn't mind that kind of editing and help learning to write more interesting presentations in the least.It is when they want to change the facts to fit their perceived audience that turns me off. To be fair to the editor at that time, it was the corporate board over him that made the decision what kind of stuff they wanted or thought would fit their subscription base, which is when I learned that FHB is not for builders but for DIYs, wannabees, and high income professionals with a hobby of building
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If FHB just sold to the pros then they'd go broke. They have to sell to the wannabes to make money.What the editors will LOVE (I suspect) is an article that is a good read for teh wannabes, delivers some actual info to the pros, and does an even better job of pushing tools (advertising $$) than New Yankee Workshop.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
"They have to sell to the wannabes to make money."I don't have any problem at all with that. I like this forum better and I like that magazine better. That is OK with all three of us. I wasn't complaining, just making a statement of fact.I learned in public speaking long ago that the first thing to do when adressing a group is to know your audience.
Somebody asks me to speak, they better be ready to describe the group dynamics to me. Otherwise I am better off talking to a wall.So I wasted my time working on an article by their invitation that they had no serious plans to publish. Now I know to apply that rule of knowing your audience to writing articles too.Not wasted totally, I got a CD of FHB out of it and I learned somethings about the publishing industry.
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"which is when I learned that FHB is not for builders but for DIYs, wannabees, and high income professionals with a hobby of building"
That's kind of harsh, don't you think? If you didn't post on the FHB forum so much youself, I might've taken that personally;)
Did this just happen recently? It seems like it might still be bothering you. FHB says they'll return any articles they can't use, so I would think you could still submit it to JLC of OJC in that case. Even if FHB wants to hold onto your article for possible later use, you could probably rewrite the article slightly differently and still submit it to JLC. I saw Mike Guerten do that with his articles on shingle siding which appeared in both magazines at about the same time. (I would'nt make a habit of that though, I'm guessing they frown on that kind of thing.) I've seen other FHB writers do something similar.
I'd be interested in reading your article no matter what magazine it gets published in. Let us know when it does get published. In the meantime, take Dan's advise. The best articles are written so that everyone can understand them, and as many people as possible can make use of them - including the proffesionals.-T
There was nothing harsh about that statement and you are reading emotion into it where there is none. Fact is that there was a thread or two here through tiome - before you - where JLC and FHB have been compared. There have also been surveys taken regularly by FHB of its readers. The results of the surveys show clearly that ( I forget the exact amount of subscribers) somewhere around 85% of them are NOT building professionals. That tells the owners and editors where and how to make their pitch.I have no idea why you might think of taking my statement of fact about FHB as any kind of personal slight.
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Not really true. We're actually split pretty close to the middle between pros and non-pros. Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
"Everybody wants to know what I’m on...
What I'm on? I’m on my bike, busting my ### 6 hours a day…
...What are you on?"
- Lance Armstrong
We're actually split pretty close to the middle between pros and non-pros.
Well, there you go. And wherever you go, there you are!View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
Jason, what are the total circulation figures for the two magazines? I suspect that FHB is substantially greater. True? And if 50 percent of FHB readers are "pros," and, say, 95 percent of JLC readers are "pros," are there more pros (total) reading FHB?
I think it's great that FHB attracts a wide range of readers. When my wife and I join an architect friend for dinner, there's the latest FHB on her table. When we relax at a friend's coffee shop (he's a lawyer who is rehabbing a 19th-century commercial building as a "hobby"), the latest FHB is there, too.
Then there's me -- a former DIYer now trying to make a living at it.
It's a common denominator for a whole spectrum of professions.
Allen
That is interesting. What I said is what a previous editor stated right here on BT.
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That's kind of harsh, don't you think?
I didn't think so. Just stating a pretty well-known fact, as far as I could tell.View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
Well, you are a professional, and he is a professional, and I'm guessing you both probably read the magazine. I guess I understand that he meant 'mostly wannabes,' but I personally prefer FHB to JLC. I also see you and him posting over here as opposed to JLC, and I don't think of you guys as wannabes. Further, there are far more professionals posting here than at JLC, even if the percentages of pro vs. DIY differ greatly.
I know that Piffin wasn't actually calling anyone a wannabe, which is why I was only kidding. However, I think Justin had a point, although exaggerated; JLC's articles have a tendency to drag on and on while FHB is very condensed. I also remember reading an article in JLC a while ago about plumbing and HVAC and thinking: "What in the world did I just read?" Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm not a plumber, I appreciate plumbing articles that are written so that even carpenters can fully grasp them. There are a lot of specialized professionals who are no doubt interested in becoming more knowledgeable about other trades, including mine. I would think they feel the same way.
I'll probably get myself blacklisted from the building community for saying so, but I cast my vote for Fine Homebuilding as the more professional magazine.-T
You're reading too much into it. I don't think his comment was intended to address message board professional poster population comparisons, quality comparisons, nor editorial finesse comparisons, but simply about target demographics. And yes, it is a good magazine.
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Edited 11/13/2007 10:45 pm by Huck
Yes, he is confusing the magazine audience with the Breaktime participants.But you get similar ratios at BT because of the vast numbers of lurkers registered and visiting but rarely if ever posting
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I wouldn't mind that kind of editing and help learning to write more interesting presentations in the least.
Yeah, me either, except that wasn't the kind of editing I got. The story was completely rewritten, and all the facts were skewed or just flat out incorrect. For the pittance they paid, I would rather have walked than accepted their boring, illogical, and inaccurate (to me, of course) version. So when they told me what they were after, I rewrote it myself, only I kept the story honest. They accepted my rewrite, but omitted a paragraph that I felt was critical to the story - saying something like I totally understand why this paragraph is important to the integrity of the overall story, but my bosses would yell at me for including it, so hand me the hatchet.View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
The article I wrote for JLC was printed almost exactly as I had written it. Could be because the article was about my custom trailer, so no real frame of reference to vary the lingo much. It is a long slow process because of the lead time the magazines need.Let's not confuse the issue with facts!
Man I loved your story. But to be honest, I didn't need the text - that trailer is so awesome, it speaks for itself. Needs no explanation or introduction. Maybe the details about the suspension didn't hurt, I guess, but a photo essay would have been sufficient for me. Which I think is cool that they didn't short you on, at all.View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
<< one article for JLC - want to point out that it was EXACTLY as I wrote it - lucky? Different editing style? >>
Yeah, that's because they don't edit at JLC. 12 pages on every topic is their recipe for success.
Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
"Everybody wants to know what I’m on...
What I'm on? I’m on my bike, busting my ### 6 hours a day…
...What are you on?"
- Lance Armstrong
Edited 11/13/2007 11:29 am ET by JFink
Yeah, that's because they don't edit at JLC. 12 pages on every topic is their recipe for success.
I'm wondering if you would elaborate on that comment, for my edification.
Edited 11/14/2007 12:34 am ET by Timuhler
my probably not so edifying guess: tongue-in-cheek comment by editor of one mag re: editor of other mag. Similar to Yeah those guys are fast because they don't cut-and-stack and they don't plumb and line, they just stand walls and roll trusses all day.
Edited to add: Hey Tim, nice to have you drop in! Next time you come by bring some more pics, always fun to see what you're up to these days.
View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
Edited 11/14/2007 12:49 am by Huck
Yeah, seems odd to complain about a 12 page bogey. Remember the line from "The Big Chill" about People articles begin no longer than what you could read in the average ####? It's part and parcel of being a commercial entity.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
Yeah, that's because they don't edit at JLC. 12 pages on every topic is their recipe for success.
I'm wondering if you would elaborate on that comment, for my edification.
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...I'm just teasing Tim. Fact is, most of the eds over here read JLC, and I'm sure their guys read FHB. We have an editorial exchange where we swap each current issue. We always joke around on our end that their articles often run very long page counts. I'm sure they laugh at our sometimes futuristic design ideas too. Just a little good-natured competitive jibe :)Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
"Everybody wants to know what I’m on...
What I'm on? I’m on my bike, busting my ### 6 hours a day…
...What are you on?"
- Lance Armstrong
I figured you were teasing but didn't want to tease back assuming.
I was going to tease back that FHB is the opposite, large bright pictures, lower word count.
I'll tell you honestly though, I think its good for the 2 magazines to be so different. Speaking for myself, I like the fact that the layouts are different, then I feel that I'm getting different perspectives
and FHB's pictures are really well done. Do they give you guys special training? I've gotten a lot of advice on photography but have a long way to go. Its turning into a hobby for me. You can see how bad and sometimes decent my pictures are
I was going to tease back that FHB is the opposite, large bright pictures, lower word count.
I thought of the same, but didn't want to start a flame war. Something like: '12 pages of pictures for every paragraph published...' =)View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
We don't get too much special training, but the first few shoots the new guys typically get accompanied by an old hand. To be honest, lots of it is trial by fire.
Really nice pictures - I think you don't give yourself enough credit Tim!Justin Fink - FHB Editorial
"Everybody wants to know what I’m on...
What I'm on? I’m on my bike, busting my ### 6 hours a day…
...What are you on?"
- Lance Armstrong
Fact is, most of the eds over here read JLC, and I'm sure their guys read FHB
I figured. Pretty much the only two games in town, for the niche. We poke fun at both here, but nobody wants either to disappear!View Image “Good work costs much more than poor imitation or factory product” – Charles GreeneCaliforniaRemodelingContractor.com
That comment wasn't what might be known as a "zinger" was it?
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
one article for JLC - want to point out that it was EXACTLY as I wrote it
I've been approached by Taunton and Hanley Wood. The Hanley Wood editor made it very clear to me that I'd be doing the writing and the photographing. They'd edit for spelling. They wanted finished product. Taunton wanted an outline (more or less) that they could shape to their needs.
Nothing wrong with either approach as long as you know what you're in for up front. http://grantlogan.net/
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. - J. Handey
Grant,
Are you going to oblige them and put something out there?
A good treatise on copperwork should be well received.
Going to look at that Library in the morning.
Best regards, Walter
Are you going to oblige them and put something out there?
If I get the right project and remember to take pics at the right time, I might try to do something for JLC.
Going to look at that Library in the morning.
Post us some pics.http://grantlogan.net/
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. - J. Handey
ive done two articles for fhb, "Counter Act" a few years ago and another "make Your Own Laminate Countertops in nov 2004 plus a few breaktime quotes and a couple of tips
Bothe experiences with the articles were great, the assigned editors were very helpful and the photo shoots went very smoothly
Renumeration was generous and quick
Lead time was about 2 years which was somewhat frustrating but understandable