Anyone use Silverline double hung vinyl tilt wash windows for new construction? I’ve never heard of them before.
How do they compare with Anderson double hung tilt wash w/vinyl outside and wood inside?
How do they compare price wise?
Both are low-e, insulated dbl pane.
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I don't know silverline, but Andersen is a solid wood unit, with vinyl cladding. I will never be convinced that a vinyl only unit can compar to that, then figure on how ggod the Andersen company stands behind its product. you are not just buying a window, you are buying the compnies support
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Interesting thing regarding wood clad with vinyl. I live in a cold climate and we had a window manufacturer that offered a great product until we found out that if the home owner didn't maintain their window from the interior , they rotted as little as 5 years. The moisture from the inside had no where to go and ruin the product. After 15 years they are out of business.
I have installed Anderson double hung with vinyl outside and wood inside in my home. I am looking at a proposal for a second floor addition. Silverline is the "standard" window and the Andersons are an upgrade. For 12 windows 36" x 54", an additional $4320. $360 extra per window - kinda crazy I think since the Andersons cost approx $250 each. I assume the install is the same. I do not "get" this large of an upcharge.
Something screwy in that pricing structure, for sure.
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Either they really do not WANT to do the Andersons. Or, the $4320 is the price to install Andersons flat out and NOT the difference between the Silverline and the Andersons. Could be an honest mistake?
Guess I will have to ask about this upgrade price at the risk of being a nitpicker. Any advice on how to ask without being seen as a difficult client trying to chisel a lower price?
If you are interested in the Andersons simply say to the contractor that the upgrade cost seems excessive given the market price of Anderson windows. These are questions that contractors hear all the time and you won't be seen as a pain in the ars if you use the tact that you've shown in your posts.
If you lived in my home town I'd guess that the vinyl windows would be installed by the manufacturers crew of butchers, while the Andersons would be installed by a finish carp with a much higher installation cost and almost always better quality. My typical labor charge for window installation would often be more than an entire vinyl window installed. Your mileage may vary.
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PS Ditto what Piffin said about the Andersons.
I took at look at a modular house company and they used "joe's" window for their base/standard window and had an upgrade charge of $400 per window for andersen 200 series. I can see a little upcharge if the sizing is different and their factory has some extra work to do but 200 series are not very expensive and you have cost savings of not using the base window so the real cost was even more than $400.
If you have the window take off, bring that to a lumber yard or Home Depot (they have good pricing on Andersen) and get a quote from them for the exact windows. Then you'll have something in print to question the price on.
ditto what DDay said, but there are lots of suppliers on LI for Andersen, check out Northshore, Windowrama or RBS. Those plastic
windows from HD aren't worth it. If your contractor is using that as a base, makes me wonder. Maybe the base should be Andersen and the upcharge to Marvin or Pella.PS. On my way to HD in Patchogue now.
Interesting comment from renovator. I live in Canada and just built a new casement sash for a customer as their 10 year old sash rotted out and the company does not build vinyl clad wood units any more. The new sash is all wood and they will have to keep the paint updated but if they do so the new sash should last.
Silverlines sold at HD are called American Craftsman. All vinyl,lifetime warranty. That said, I still will put in Andersens any day! There are numerous little things that taken alone mean little, but combined you get quality and experience (102 years).
My question to you would be what are you comparing; U-values? Air infiltration? Accessories/Grilles/Colors? To just say quality is too subjective. Do you want a wood interior? AC doesn't have one (tho their 9500 series can come with a wood print on a white window.) Do you want a full screen? It's an upcharge on an AC.
I have a hard time recommending an all vinyl window in a forum from FINE HOMEBUILDING!
I agree, I still want the Andersons. First, because they are a better window and look better. Second, because I put new Andersons in the rest of my house and I want all the windows to match.
I just never heard of Silverline and wanted some info/opinions so I can ask the builder "why" so much extra charge for Andersons?
To my mind, a home improvement specialist would have to be brain dead to not make an effort to match the same windows you already have. I would just tell him I want Andersens to matcjh existing and I'll be gald to payu the difference between one and the other, but that I know it is not as much as quoted, please check your numbers, and thank you very muchMy concern about somebody who wants to pawn off cheap windows in a house wheere it is obvious that they are not right, is somebody who will be cutting other corners also. Take a good look at his work elsewhere before signing on with him.
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I have to agree with Wango1. I have installed most of the windows we have mentioned and more.
If you buy a cheap vinyl window or the most expenses triple glazing system, what is the difference? The worst window will give you an r value of 1 and the best will give you 4. Window manufactures have to sell their products on bells a whistles. 80% of windows in My part of the country use Truth hardware, and that's great because it is easy to replace and it is a decent product.
I have installed top of so called line Pella, (hardware replacement for casements $117.00) Frame of finger joint pine glue without water proof glue. Non Thermo pane! Marvin windows with cord type sash weights that if even nicked will fail. Finger joint pine with glue that sucks. Just because Anderson have been around for 103 years does not invoke quality.
I am a wood guy but at some point you have to look for alternatives. I have to do my research on new products coming out, and like Wango1, offer the best solution with todays developments. I offer my clients the best at the time what is available and hope for the best. As per the previous thread vinyl covered wood does not make sense to me , wood has to breath. Is vinyl of fiberglass the answer please help me out!
I just re-finished the Andersens that were installed in 1955. The hardware is still perfect. The wood is still perfect. Now the glass and glazing is perfect too. They operate with ease. I looked at other windows and thought about replacing the old ones. Now that I am done I am SO glad I kept the Andersens. They are built much better than any of the others I looked at. One of my contractors who does high-end windows said they were the best. Good luck.
I am verey satisfied with the Andersons I have already. And I want Andersons for the addition.
I'll post back when I hear an explanation for the large upcharge.