FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter Instagram Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Need Header with Double Top Plate?

alfer | Posted in General Discussion on March 9, 2023 01:08am

I have a 6′ x 14′ “Tuff Shed” in Northern CA. The shed has a 45″ wide typical steel frame shed door and I want to replace it with an insulated pre-hung door — I’m in the process of converting the shed to a workshop, and it will be fully insulated. The shed has a double top plate all the way around, and above the 45″ door there is a 4″ header made from 2 2×4’s sandwiched together with a 1/2″ of plywood above that and beneath the double top plate. The problem is, the height on the current door opening is only 73″ and I would love to get the extra head room by taking out the header. I would frame a smaller 36″ opening prior to installing the door. 

Would removing the header impact the door at all? It seems with the top plate being there that there is plenty of structural support especially for a smaller 36″ wide door. What do I lose by removing it?

Reply

Replies

  1. User avater
    unclemike42 | Mar 09, 2023 06:43am | #1

    Are you in the part of CA where you get 10 feet of snow?

    The devil is in the details. orientation of the door to the roof, and framing details. (size, span, and spacing)

    6 feet is not very long.

    Possible that removal of the header would end up with some pressure on your new door. It might not fall down and kill you, but you could end up having some trouble opening the door.

    One thing to consider is placing some steel angle iron as a header above the door, hugged around your top plate.

    Another is blocking between the rafters to help spread the load.

    How do the rafters end up above your door opening?

    1. alfer | Mar 09, 2023 11:07am | #2

      Thanks Mike, no snow here at sea level so don't need to worry about snow loading. The rafters sit right on top of the double top plate and extend maybe 4" where a small soffit was built. I like the idea of the angle iron a lot and could support that with my new jack studs when I reframe a smaller opening. I actually have about an inch to work with so I could use a 1x4 or a piece of plywood below the angle iron for nailing trim into. Check out the photo, attached.

      1. User avater
        unclemike42 | Mar 10, 2023 05:37am | #3

        How will you insulate that roof?

        1. alfer | Mar 10, 2023 10:32am | #4

          Would love to spray foam it but that’s pretty expensive. I’m planning to use 2” xps foam boards about R-10 on the walls and roof. Not perfect but should provide a decent level of insulation. I’m open to suggestions there.

  2. User avater
    unclemike42 | Mar 10, 2023 11:45am | #5

    Not a bad idea, but you need to allow for ventilation of the bottom of the plywood that makes up the roof.

    1. alfer | Mar 10, 2023 01:58pm | #6

      Great point thanks. Almost forgot this is a cathedral ceiling. I think I can add 2" round soffit vents along the soffit and use some strips of plywood to space the foam insulation away from the roof sheathing and then add a ridge vent at the top. That would allow moisture to escape and air to flow continuously up from the soffit to the ridge. Thank you for pointing that out. I'm not planning to drywall, I like to keep the studs exposed in a workshop like this. I'm planning to face the insulation with some heavy brown craft paper just for cosmetic reasons and I will still have an inch or so within each stud bay to run conduits, wires etc.

  3. User avater
    unclemike42 | Mar 10, 2023 04:37pm | #7

    You really are supposed to cover foam board with drywall to mitigate fire/smoke danger.

    No naps in the workshop!

    1. alfer | Mar 13, 2023 05:49pm | #8

      Great point, think I will keep the glass blowing outside while I'm at it =D. Thanks unclemike for the very helpful pointers!

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Solar Shingles in Austin

A Tesla roof powers this five-bedroom Texas home and then transfers extra energy to the power grid.

Featured Video

How to Install Exterior Window Trim

Learn how to measure, cut, and build window casing made of cellular PVC, solid wood, poly-ash boards, or any common molding material. Plus, get tips for a clean and solid installation.

Related Stories

  • Podcast 549: Energy Upgrades, Chimney Inspections, and Questions About a Home You Might Buy
  • Podcast 549: Members-only Aftershow—Patios vs. Decks
  • Podcast 548: PRO TALK With Design/Build Operations Manager Jessica Bishop-Smyser
  • Strategies for Venting a Roof Valley

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

BOOKS, DVDs, & MERCH

Shop the Store
  • Code Check Building 4th Edition
    Buy Now
  • 2023 Tool Guide
    Buy Now
  • 2022 Fine Homebuilding Archive
    Buy Now
  • Pretty Good House
    Buy Now
  • Shop the Store

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 314 - April/May 2023
    • 7 Options for Countertops
    • Tool Test: Wood-Boring Bits
    • Critical Details for Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 313 - Feb/March 2023
    • Practical System for a Seismic Retrofit
    • Fine Homebuilding Issue #313 Online Highlights
    • Practical System for a Seismic Retrofit
  • Issue 312 - Dec 2022/Jan 2023
    • Tool Test: Cordless Tablesaws
    • Gray-Water System for a Sustainable Home
    • Insulate a Cape Roof to Avoid Ice Dams
  • Issue 311 - November 2022
    • 7 Steps to a Perfect Exterior Paint Job
    • Options for Smarter Home-Energy Tracking
    • The Fine Homebuilding Interview: James Metoyer
  • Issue 310 - October 2022
    • Choosing a Tile-Leveling System
    • Choosing Between HRVs and ERVs
    • Custom Built-in Cabinets Made Easy

Fine Homebuilding

Follow

  • twitter
  • facebook
  • instagram
  • pinterest

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences

Taunton Network

  • Green Building Advisor
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Fine Gardening
  • Threads
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Copyright
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2023 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved.

X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Shop the Store

  • Books
  • DVDs
  • Taunton Workshops

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • twitter
  • facebook
  • instagram
  • pinterest

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in