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   Luka | May 25, 2004 02:17am | #1

   Measure the existing, and duplicate it.

   If you do nothing, nothing will happen.

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   DavidThomas | May 25, 2004 04:56am | #5

   And while we're on the topic of toilets;

   You often see two sinks side by side in the master bath.  But never two toilets side by side.  When do you ever have to wash your hands RIGHT NOW! and just can't wait for someone else to finish?  Whereas with only one toilet. . . .

   Sounds a bit like a Steven Wright observation.David Thomas   Overlooking Cook Inlet in Kenai, Alaska

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   DougU | May 25, 2004 05:04am | #6

   David

   However rare, we did a master that had two toilets in it! Of coarse the master suite was about 2000 sq!!! Plenty room for it.

   Doug

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   gdavis62 | May 25, 2004 05:51am | #9

   And I hope one of the two was in a private stall with door.  Two in the open would provide just "too much information," even for really close couples.

   I think the half baths adjoining some of these monster media rooms should have two toilets with one in a stall.  Think all the neighbors over, halftime at Super Bowl, everyone averaging three Bud Lights so far . . .

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   DougU | May 25, 2004 01:28pm | #10

   Yea, both were in stalls, actually both were in rooms about 4'X7', remember the master was 2000 sq, no need to conserve space!

   Doug

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   hacknhope | May 25, 2004 07:48pm | #14

   I don't know why people don't make better use of 'just an extra basin' instead of wasting half the house on multiple bathroom palaces - as if that's the perfect air to share.  Two toilets in one room has no appeal, even within family.  Better to use powder room.  Not even sure about the two sinks unless one is where the toto isn't.  

   I know many cottages where earliest indoor plumbing included small washbasins in master and/or guest bedrooms.  Today, they're a nice feature few would do from scratch.   Imagine the main loo is locked until someone finishes FHB, you can still brush your teeth before answering the door, making breakfast, or even passing through public areas on the way to the powder room. 

   Very small powder room?  I say think 'tiny gem'.  Maximize the elbow room and appeal by going for more exotic scaled-down fixtures such as a small corner sink of wonderful stone, fancy toilet with tank overhead or recessed into wall; nice lighting; just one small recessed cabinet for only must haves.  Don't think it can be a loo and pantry at the same time. 

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   FastEddie1 | May 25, 2004 08:08pm | #15

   Our master bath has two sinks in a 6 ft + countertop, and it works great in the morning when we're both getting dressed.  One can shave and the other can apply camouflage paint...

   Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell'em "Certainly, I can!"  Then get busy and find out how to do it.  T. Roosevelt

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   hacknhope | May 25, 2004 08:21pm | #16

   "6-foot plus counter with two sinks"

   To each his own, of course, but in this (older, urban) neighbourhood that space would be the difference between having a closet in a bedroom or not.  Actually, in my last house that would've cost us a bedroom.  ;-)

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   tenpenny | May 25, 2004 08:21pm | #17

   Similarly, I love the two sinks.  DW and I are usually getting ready at the same time, and I used to hate it when I had the sink full of nice hot water for the razor, then suddenly I'm persona non grata, and have to drain it all.....I can't understand two toilets, though.  Not in the same room.  I aint that kind of social.

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   hacknhope | May 25, 2004 08:26pm | #19

   ...and if you could wave a magic wand, would you like your two sinks as much, better or less if they were not in the same room, but both accessible to the master bedroom?

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   Snort | May 25, 2004 08:44pm | #20

   Dual sinks and showerheads here...not enough room for another throne. Sometimes ya just gotta prioritize<G> Don't worry, we can fix that later!

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   tenpenny | May 25, 2004 10:23pm | #21

   I like them in the same room, actually, because we're usually reviewing our schedule for the day:  who's taking which daughter to the bus stop, lacrosse, soccer, ball hockey, swimming, etc etc.  Who's going to walk the dog, and who's getting the breakfast on the table.....

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   ANDYSZ2 | May 27, 2004 12:17pm | #22

   Great timing for this topic as I am remodeling a his and her masterbath into one masterbath with 2 toilet closets.I think the idea of 2 toilets in seperate closures is pretty smart you don't gross out your mate but you can start the morning in close enough proximity to converse and plan.

   I have to include a steamshower with 3 glass walls to ceiling.A large tub and seperate vanities on opposite sides of the room.

   ANDYSZ2 I MAY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT I WILL DEFEND TO THE DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT.

   Remodeler/Punchout

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    hacknhope | May 25, 2004 08:22pm | #18

    ..but what I should have said is that I don't shave in the sink and he doesn't use camouflage paint...

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   NickNukeEm | May 25, 2004 05:19am | #7

   Extreme Makeover last night did a bathroom with 7 sinks.  And no, it wasn't for Snow White and the...

   I never met a tool I didn't like!

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   Junkman001 | May 25, 2004 05:48am | #8

   Never see two toilets together? I beg to differ.  Master bath total size 6x18.  Includes two head site built shower(love it) large vanity, toilet, nuther toilet, small vanity.  When we have company close pocket door and it becomes two seperate bathrooms. Mike and the Missus

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   BossHog | May 25, 2004 06:09pm | #11

   I once got a print that had 2 toilets in it. They were on opposite sides of the room, facing each other.

   Not the kind of arrangement I would be comfortable with...

   Actually, I think it's a waste of space to ahve 2 toilets in a bathroom. If someone HAS to go, that's what hall baths and powder rooms are for.Education is going to college to learn to express your ignorance in scientific terms.

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   DavidThomas | May 25, 2004 06:15pm | #12

   Okay, you guys get out more than I do.  Maybe it's where I am - no two-toilet bathrooms up here, but there are some two-hole outhouses!David Thomas   Overlooking Cook Inlet in Kenai, Alaska

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   peteduffy | May 25, 2004 07:02pm | #13

   Hope they're not the 2-story doubledecker outhouses!Pete Duffy, Handyman

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   Piffin | May 25, 2004 02:56am | #2

   i think code might be less, but I never allow less than 18" to each sidewall. I did it once or twice at owner's request and then never heard the end of it. My plumber's feel the same way, they are big boys and have a hard time reaching the rear supply as it is.

    

    

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   G80104 | May 25, 2004 03:32am | #3

   Per 97 UBC {408.5} Flange-30 in wide clearance, 26in front (21in finish), so you need 30"wide x 21 clear on front side.

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   DavidThomas | May 25, 2004 04:53am | #4

   Yes, 15 inches from centerline of toilet to each side.  Technically to the finish surface, but I've never seen anyone tweek on that or on having the toilet paper roll inside that volume (but I've left it till later in some cases).

   But 16" to 18" from centerline to wall is better design.  What with the ever expanding American kiester.  Pity the paramedics that have to respond to a 375-pounder wedged between the vanity and the wall with his pants down at his ankles.   There's a reason for those codes!

   11-1/2" is standard center of floor flange off the back wall.  But there are closer tolerance ones (cause sometimes mistakes happen).  1" undersize for sure (10.5" off the back wall), maybe 2" - that might help if you are getting close to your required minimum in front.

   Also, placing one in a corner can get you the dimensions you need in a tighter space, depending on the floor plan.  Sometimes you see that in Hotel-6 type places where saving a square foot in each of 200 units adds up.

   But at some point, even if legal, you just have trouble doing your business if you feel like you're crammed in a phone booth.  Mirrors, recessing the shelves into the framing, etc to create more space or the illusion of more space can help an undersized room.

   Also consider a pedestal sink instead of a vanity.  No storage but the reduced physical and visual volume can help in those tiny rooms.

   David Thomas   Overlooking Cook Inlet in Kenai, Alaska

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   AdamB | May 27, 2004 04:38pm | #23

   she wants me to disappear the present half bath and relocate it into a pantry

   Why would you want the bathroom smells where your going to store food?  or did I miss something?

   Adam
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   gdavis62 | May 27, 2004 05:13pm | #24

   Maybe they can keep beer cool in the water tank.