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??? Mullion and Muntin

| Posted in General Discussion on March 16, 2002 04:39am

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My father and I have been going back and forth. I believe a mullion to be the gridwork or the grilles in window sashes and the muntin is the trim between two windows. My arguement with myself is that two separate windows that are attached are considered to be mulled units.? I don’t know what the proper terminology is and would like to get some feedback.

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  1. Rich_ | Mar 14, 2002 06:36am | #1

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    WAIT!

    Guys, think about this before you answer. There could be something in in for us. Here's the situation; this guy and his FATHER have been going back and forth on this so you know there is something at stake here. I mean, this father/son thing is as old as Oedipus. I'm just thinking we could get the winner to share the prize...

    1. T-Square | Mar 14, 2002 06:41am | #2

      *An actual dictionary may prove this wrong, but mullions are vertical elements and muntins are horizontal elements dividing lites in glazing. Applies to windows, doors, etc.

      1. xMike_Smith | Mar 14, 2002 06:42am | #3

        *at the risk of getting between two guys .. muntins are the bars that seperate the panes of glass, both horizontal & vertical....and mullions are windows that are mulled together....as in.. that is a mullion unit.. like the three doublehungs tied together.. they can be jamb to jamb.. or they can have a structural mull with a pocket for a supporting stud to break the span...b but hey, whadda i no ?

        1. davo304_ | Mar 14, 2002 08:24am | #4

          *Dustin,Mike gave you the correct answer. Muntins are the gridwork. Mullions is what ties the 2 or more window units together. Davo

          1. Tim_Kline | Mar 14, 2002 09:31am | #5

            *b muntin Pronunciation: 'm&n-t&nFunction: nounEtymology: alteration of montant vertical dividing bar, from French, from present participle of monter to rise -- more at MOUNTDate: 1774: a strip separating panes of glass in a sash b mullion Pronunciation: 'm&l-y&nFunction: nounEtymology: probably alteration of monial mullionDate: 1567: a slender vertical member that forms a division between units of a window, door, or screen or is used decoratively- mullion transitive verb

          2. Dustin_ | Mar 15, 2002 05:51am | #6

            *Gentleman, I appreciate the expertise. I actually am going to admit that I was HALF WRONG! to my father. As you see in my original post I was simply confused by the jargon sorta kinda.. You know what I mean..

          3. John_Bower | Mar 16, 2002 12:15am | #7

            *I am a carpenter/general contractor transplanted from Southern California to South Carolina. I have been through the carpenters union back in the 70's and have worked in construction all my life. I have been discussing with my peers at work who is responsible for patching and filling nail holes in trim work. Some say the painter is and others like myself say it is the carpenters job! I have been accused of being to "old school" about it. Could this be true???

          4. Rich_ | Mar 16, 2002 02:26am | #8

            *John,painters. Basically, if it's pliable, a liquid, or a covering, the painters do it. Glue or adhesive required for wood assembly is exempt from above.

          5. piffin_ | Mar 16, 2002 03:57am | #9

            *In general house building it is the painters job but that changes when it gets to high end. For quality interior millwork, fireplace surronds, five piece crowns, bult in furniture type pieces, we like to fill, sand and sometimes prime and sand again before the painter ever sees it. Some painters don't do so well. Some are pushed for time being the last ones on the job and at the short end of the owners budget stick. Some work needs to be sealed and backprimed before assembly.Above all, the painte and the finish carpenters need to be on the same page and it the generals job to work it out. You can't have a bunch of yahoos with waffle hammers saying things like, "The painter can fix it"BTW, next time you ask a new question, be sure to go to the top of breaktimes main page and click the button that says add new discussion instead of butting into an existing thread. As it is only thoise who are intrested in mullions, muntins, and millions will read your Q.

          6. ken_hill | Mar 16, 2002 04:37am | #10

            *John- There's also a recent thread here somewhere that discusses your question at length. Do a key word search and you'll get some good info. -Ken

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