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SteveFFF | Posted in General Discussion on December 13, 2006 01:29am

While digging the trench for the electric line I cut the water line to the barn. Yes, I knew roughly where it was. No, there wasn’t any way to avoid cutting it. Anyway, it is the black flexible pipe that comes on long rolls, in Lowe’s it seems to be labeled as “Schedule 80 pipe”.

Looks like there are barbed connectors that press in and threaded connectors. No glue in the area that seems to be specifically made for this stuff. Neither give me a warm, fuzzy feeling that they will be leak free for years after I rebury the line. If this was copper or PVC it would have been fixed in 5 minutes!

Any help on which fittings are used for repairing and how they are used is appreciated. Calls to local plumbers turned up folks who have no more experience with this than I have which is zero.

Thanks.
Steve.

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  1. ClaysWorld | Dec 13, 2006 01:34am | #1

    What kind of water pressure are you runnning?

    You could back it up with some stainless hose clamps.

    I't's not made (black)  for potable water. I know the well type black is but I'd have to check the grades.

    1. SteveFFF | Dec 13, 2006 02:06am | #2

      About 30 psi.Steve.

  2. McPlumb | Dec 13, 2006 02:11am | #3

    Use the barbed fittings, warm the pipe a little with small torch or hairdryer or heatgun fittings that are barried should be double clamped, this means four clamps per splice. Clamps should say all stainless on them the kind that aren't will rust and fail usually on Christmas day.

  3. mike4244 | Dec 13, 2006 02:34am | #4

    Go to a plumbing supply store,not Lowe's or HD. They will have the connector.If the connector is barbed on both ends,smear vasoline on the barbs and push the tubing on it.Make sure you use the correct clamps.

    mike

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      BillHartmann | Dec 13, 2006 05:24am | #6

      Why not HD or Lowes. They along with the hardware and farm supply stores all have barbed fittings for PE pipe..
      .
      Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

  4. DaveRicheson | Dec 13, 2006 05:07am | #5

    Like others said. Barbed fittings, heat gun, stainless steel hose clamps.

    I have found it difficult to repair or cut in tee in burried  polyehylene pipe without digging out  two to three feet of the pipe in each direction. That will give you a little flex room to get everything together.

    If you made a simple cut and didn't tear out a chunk, you can also use a pvc compression type repair coupling. It simply slides over one cut end and then is slide foward over the other, then the two compression nuts are tightened down on each end. I have even used two of them with a short section of poly piepe when I have mangled a section of buried pipe. I have some on 1" poly pipe that has over a 100 psi on it constantly. No leaks in over two years, an no worries about clamps or barbed fitting blowing out.

    I also learned to bury a tracer wire with any water lines, then as I backfill the trench I add yellow caution tape after the first foot of fill is in place. The first is a must for locating poly pipe. The second is the warning sign that I and any other digging are within a foot of going.....  OPPS, I DID IT AGAIN!

     

    Dave 

  5. DanH | Dec 13, 2006 06:10am | #7

    Yeah, heat the pipe ends, especially in cold weather. If you don't have a torch and can't easily get a heat gun or hair dryer wired up, boil up some water in a big pot and pour that on the ends.

    You need to have some play in the pipe to put the stuff together. If a section has been ripped up you may need to buy more pipe, so it's long enough. And it helps to have a buddy so that one of you can push from each side when pushing the pipe onto the barbed connectors.

    If you get it right, with the pipe warmed up reasonably well and pushed well onto the barb, then clamped good and tight with a couple of SS clamps on each side, it ain't coming apart. In 5 years you won't be able to get it apart if you want to.

    People never lie so much as before an election, during a war, or after a hunt. --Otto von Bismarck
  6. RippySkippy | Dec 13, 2006 04:14pm | #8

    I've seen many mention the barbed fittings. Since I didn't see it specifically mentioned, I would use the cast brass barbed fittings and 2 clamps, with the screw mechanism opposite each other.

    A small propane torch works really well to heat the pipe allowing the fitting to slip right in.

    Good luck...

    Rip

    1. formulaross | Dec 13, 2006 05:46pm | #9

      Ditto ReippySkippy,

      Metal barbed fittings (the nylon ones can break over time, been there, done that) and double stainless steel clamp.

      1. SteveFFF | Dec 14, 2006 04:09am | #10

        Found the suggested parts at Home Depot and I'm back in business. Thanks all for the help.Steve.

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