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Caution: Hard Hat Area

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After Shock: A Moldy Crawlspace Nightmare Part 2

comments (3) May 14th, 2010 in Blogs
TheTimberTailor Matt Jackson, contributor

Nothing wrong with this subfloor, right?
A peek at the worst of the mold problem through a hole cut in the plywood
The damage is still not visible even with the subfloor removed.
Nothing wrong with this subfloor, right?Click To Enlarge

Nothing wrong with this subfloor, right?

Figuring out what caused the dry-rot and mold damage and a way to prevent it from rotting again is the present challenge.

Here's the setup:

The crawlspace is 16' wide and 24' long.  Depth varies from about 4' deep along the un-insulated 8"  block foundation wall (from the original excavation) to about 18~24" deep across the width.  Joists are 2x10's at 16"o.c. with an additional built-up 2x10 support/stiffener/beam at 60/40% of the span.  The floor system was insulated with kraft-faced batts stapled to the tops of the joists before the 3/4" T&G flooring was laid down.  There are two 8x16 vents in one 16' end of the space.  The greatest degree of rot is on the end opposite the vents.

The Cause

Looks to me that lack of air circulation is the primary culprit here: damp air from the living space and un-covered dirt in the crawlspace condensed on the lumber, cooled by cold air from the vents.  Without cross ventilation from vents and without heat transfer through the carpeted and insulated floor above, the wood got wet and stayed wet for long periods of time, if not permanently.  The fiberglass batt insulation added to the problem by retaining moisture and maintaining the cold temps.  The poor hem-fir joists never had a chance in these conditions.

Science Project?

I'm still surprised by the condition of the subfloor as shown in the photo after the carpet and pad were pulled up.  Nothing wrong with that subfloor, right?  I thought so too.  But take a peek through the hole in the subfloor at the mold below. Yikes! Hardly your run-of-the-mill variety of mildew; looks more like a science project than a remodeling project.  Even with the subfloor removed, exposing the insulation, the damage isn't visible (see photo)  I'll attach more photos in a future post after the sad insulation is removed.

The next post will show the full extent of the damage to the floor system.  As drastic as the deterioration in this situation seems to me, comments indicate there are plenty of others who have encountered all this and them some.




See other posts in this saga:

A Moldy Crawlspace Nightmare (part 1)

A Moldy Crawlspace Nightmare, Part 3: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly



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Comments (3)

TheTimberTailor TheTimberTailor writes: turner,
It's obvious that we BOTH know how unpleasant fixing this sort of problem can be! You describe consequences of extremely wet soil and some excellent steps to solve problems. Part of what was surprising on the project I was involved with was how much damage accumulated even with very DRY soil conditions. Just goes to show how harmful moisture and improper construction methods can be! I hope your customer appreciated the work you did to fix an ugly problem... pumping in a slab? Ugh! Bet you won't forget that one for awhile!

Matt Jackson
aka The Timber Tailor
The Digital Jobsite Blog
Posted: 12:43 am on May 8th

turner7804 turner7804 writes: In extremely wet soils, if the footer is not poured in a proper vapor barrier, an amazing amount of moisture can wick into the space in general as well as into the block/poured walls and eventually into the sill/rim where, if fiberglass bats are stuffed, it just sits feeding any spores which might be in residence. In one extreme case we removed all of the old insulation, abated mold, put in a 10 mil barrier and pumped in a slab(was not fun)' , created an access , installed a dehumidifier drained through a weep hole, reinstalled insulation but took pains to angle it at the edges so as not to block circulation around the sill/rim while still providing some Rvalue for the floor around the edges. while not ideal, it did bring the moisture under control. T he heat generated by the dehumidifier also seems to have raised the temp slightly.
Posted: 9:06 am on May 6th

DanMorrison DanMorrison writes: Wow.
Uncovered dirt floor, you say? That will need to be fixed. Is there ground water getting in as well? like poor grading, gutters dumping water into a corner, etc.

Some reading for your weekend:
In Fine Homebuilding:

In Green Building Advisor:

A Construction detail for a retrofit:

And a 'Perfect World' detail:

Posted: 4:56 pm on May 15th

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